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Felony convictions, felony warrants, fugitive from justice, etc.

But, I can see NICS progressing into all sorts of "disqualifications" if allowed to do so.


We'd better thank our lucky stars it isn't Hitlery being sworn in tomorrow.

Just did it again, been doing it frequently for weeks and will continue to right up to the point that Trump takes the oath. Man, that was close!

When I was in the Marine Corps I had an FFL and would get guns for guys I worked with. The ones with top secret clearances would get delayed every time, never had one denied. There's something in the system that flags them. As crossfire says, it's a flawed system. It should have never been instituted in the first place but since we're stuck with it at least make it work right.

In the last 20 years I got pull over once for not having my seat belt on before leaving a walmart parking lot by a city officer who was driving into the walmart parking lot. That was a warning ticket. Five years ago, I had a headlight out on my truck, got a warning for that, too. Those were the only two times I've been pulled over. And I don't have any felonies, no D.V. charges nor have been put in a loony bin ever. I have a lifetime hunting license and teach hunter education for the state, so I passed those background checks.

Exactly right.

I know a old nuclear scientist from Los Alamos, that got delayed everytime he bought a gun. A LGS I help out out has a retired Army guy, that said he had high level security clearances and was constantly getting delayed. Also a supising number of the local police and sheriff's deputies get delays. Most just got a concealed carry permit so they didn't need a NICS.

some police officers file a charge without telling you ( I know that for fact ) , it is up to DA to dismiss or bring up charges,or ignore . may be one of those cases.

P.

Well after all of that I went into the gun shop today and the owner said he was given the OK this morning to 'proceed'. So the transaction is all good, I'm just kind of stymied as to the 'why'?

I held a Top Secret clearance from about 1964 thru 2003.I was finger printed so many times. Hell, even Russia probably had mine.

Never had a hold up once.I had an FFL for about ten years in the 80's. That went straight thru

Yes, that is the thing I can't figure out. Some people with history like yours have trouble and some don't. Some people I know that have had "troubled times" don't get delayed. Just goes to show we don't really know what the .gov has in our file, or what criteria the NICS is using in the search.

I too have had clearances and never a problem, unless I included my SSN. I did that once or thrice and there was a delay every time.

how about :

1- alimony , palimony ?
2- have you every dated an isis member ?
3- ever had sex with opposite sex ?
4- ever travelled to Syria ?
5- did you use your maiden name ?
6- does your name has a dash or ' in it , like O'Brien ?

P.

I heard a similar story out here. I don't remember many UPIN that didn't result in exactly the same outcome.....delayed. Those were memorable because the buyer was rightfully pissed. It's a stupid ass system!

That's weird but happens to others I've seen. After several smooth transactions a guy I was friends with told me that and I doubted him, he put his social down and darned if he didn't get delayed.

Probably wouldn't have that problem with a .270.

This is all quite fascinating.




Dave

I don't understand why the NICS need any info about the firearm to do the background check. The dealer has to tell if you are buying a handgun, rifle or shotgun. It makes no sense since, by law, they can't keep the data from the background checks. So why do they need to know what type of firearm is being purchased? It's supposed to only be a check to see if the purchaser is a prohibited person.

Bob

Government following the law, right they are so good at that. I am fairly certain that there is at least short term storage of NICS data and likely a complete database.

A situation that has always made me wonder about NICS keeping data was with my Remington 597 in 17HMR.

The gun was recalled several years after I got it. It was bought new all legal NICS check was done. I never filed anything with remington as far as a warranty card or ever had work done on the firearm by them. I got a letter from remington stating the gun was recalled.

Ok nice to get the notice but where did my info come from??? Did they go to the distributor get a list of retailers then call them or go to them to check records. I doubt it. But perhaps a call to whoever.gov asking for info on buyers that bought the recall effected model. Same may say put down the tinfoil but a searchable gov database makes the most sense. The gun was produced for seven years. Had to be many thousands out there. Be a huge task to track them down retailer by retailer.

Care to document that or just "what you heard"?

You are misinformed.

The NICS does not ask for any information about the gun other than, Long Gun, Handgun, or Other (Receivers or Frames). The only exception to that is when you buy two or more handguns within 5 consecutive business days, or if you live in a border state, two or more "Assault weapons " within 5 consecutive working days, from the same dealer. Then the dealer has to submit a multiple weapons form which includes firearm type and serial numbers.

In the case of a recall by the manufacturer the only way they could get any information on you is from a dealer and in 35 years of dealing closely with a couple of local gunstores, I've never seen or heard of them doing that. We have recieved recall notices, but never a request for information.

Many years ago we did get a request from the ATF to inform people that had purchased Streetsweeper shotguns, that they must apply for a tax stamp for them. But they never ask for who had purchased them.