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They are handing out Nobel prizes for big bang....not good.
1) CBR disproves big bang. It could not be stronger evidence against it.
2) How did big bang overcome gravity? And don't say space temporarily inflated. That is the dog ate my homework. I was told there was no space prior to the Big Bang. I asked a teacher how the Big Bang overcame gravity. "It wasn't invented yet," she informed me. Because the Higgs Field didn't exist yet. Perhaps her words were in-artful, but they are not inconsistent with current models of the theoretical very early Universe. Fixed it for you.
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Here's a little bit of Sunday morning pot stirring for the Campfire.
[url=http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/756870/proof-of-god-kurt-godel][/url]
Scientists use mathematical calculations to PROVE the existence of God SCIENTISTS have ‘confirmed’ the existence of God after proving a mathematician’s theory which suggests that there is a higher power. By Sean Martin PUBLISHED: 03:00, Sun, Jan 22, 2017 | UPDATED: 09:03, Sun, Jan 22, 2017
Two computer scientists say they proved that there is a holy supreme force after confirming the equations.
In 1978, mathematician Kurt Gödel died and left behind a long and complex theory based on modal logic.
Dr Gödel’s model uses mathematical equations that are extremely complicated, but the essence is that no greater power than God can be conceived, and if he or she is believed as a concept then he or she can exist in reality.
Scientists claim to have proof of God
Mathmatician Kurt Gödel established the equation
Renowned physicist finds PROOF of God
Or as Dr Gödel put it through his equations: “Ax. 1. {P(φ)∧◻∀x[φ(x)→ψ(x)]} →P(ψ)Ax. 2.P(¬φ)↔¬P(φ)Th. 1.P(φ)→◊∃x[φ(x)]Df. 1.G(x)⟺∀φ[P(φ)→φ(x)]Ax. 3.P(G)Th. 2.◊∃xG(x)Df. 2.φ ess x⟺φ(x)∧∀ψ{ψ(x)→◻∀y[φ(y)→ψ(y)]}Ax. 4.P(φ)→◻P(φ)Th. 3.G(x)→G ess xDf. 3.E(x)⟺∀φ[φ ess x→◻∃yφ(y)]Ax. 5.P(E)Th. 4.◻∃xG(x)”.
You get it, right?
But two computer scientists have used computers to run such complicated which they say confirms that the equation does indeed add up.
The point of the researchers’ argument was that they were not directly trying to prove the existence of God, but rather to showcase the power of computers.
Christoph Benzmüller of Berlin's Free University, who ran the calculations along with Bruno Woltzenlogel Paleo of the Technical University in Vienna, told Spiegel Online: "It's totally amazing that from this argument led by Gödel, all this stuff can be proven automatically in a few seconds or even less on a standard notebook.
“I didn’t know it would create such a huge public interest but [Gödel’s ontological proof] was definitely a better example than something inaccessible in mathematics or artificial intelligence…
Wouldn't be the same sort of dills that came up with climate change would it.
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While Karl Popper's falsifiability criterion demarcates the limits of scientific inquiry, those who strive for certainty remain at the mercy of fantasy and logical fallacy.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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While Karl Popper's falsifiability criterion demarcates the limits of scientific inquiry, those who strive for certainty remain at the mercy of fantasy and logical fallacy. Couldn't you have just said that they are wankers?
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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While Karl Popper's falsifiability criterion demarcates the limits of scientific inquiry, those who strive for certainty remain at the mercy of fantasy and logical fallacy. Couldn't you have just said that they are wankers? Insert Lao Tzu quote here
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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They are handing out Nobel prizes for big bang....not good.
1) CBR disproves big bang. It could not be stronger evidence against it.
2) How did big bang overcome gravity? And don't say space temporarily inflated. That is the dog ate my homework. I was told there was no space prior to the Big Bang. I asked a teacher how the Big Bang overcame gravity. "It wasn't invented yet," she informed me. Because the Higgs Field didn't exist yet. Perhaps her words were in-artful, but they are not inconsistent with current models of the theoretical very early Universe. Fixed it for you. ex post facto insertion of grammatical redundancy is not a fix. The use of "current model s (plural) in the quoted posts implies the alternative facts are still in flux. Get you some Strunk and White.
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While Scientists keep finding smaller and smaller particles in the Universe, if only in theory in many cases, there must always be something other than the individual particles...... something which keeps them separate.
Something which is " Not this nor that".
Which happens to be the definition for God by the early Church Fathers.
Never holler whoa or look back in a tight place
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While Scientists keep finding smaller and smaller particles in the Universe, if only in theory in many cases, there must always be something other than the individual particles...... something which keeps them separate.
Something which is " Not this nor that".
Which happens to be the definition for God by the early Church Fathers. Looks like you might be bird dogging around Asymptotic Pantheism?
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While Karl Popper's falsifiability criterion demarcates the limits of scientific inquiry, those who strive for certainty remain at the mercy of fantasy and logical fallacy.
Wouldn't be the same sort of dills that came up with climate change would it.
Yes yes As Penrose calls the big bang theory, "Fashion, faith, and fantasy" https://www.amazon.com/Fashion-Faith-Fantasy-Physics-Universe/dp/0691119791
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
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While Scientists keep finding smaller and smaller particles in the Universe, if only in theory in many cases, there must always be something other than the individual particles...... something which keeps them separate.
Something which is " Not this nor that".
Which happens to be the definition for God by the early Church Fathers. Looks like you might be bird dogging around Asymptotic Pantheism? Nope.... just noting the similarity between Particle Theory and the thinking of early Christians;" This is not Thou, neither art Thou this." Pantheism is an attribute of God, but not God.
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While Scientists keep finding smaller and smaller particles in the Universe, if only in theory in many cases, there must always be something other than the individual particles...... something which keeps them separate.
Something which is " Not this nor that".
Which happens to be the definition for God by the early Church Fathers. Looks like you might be bird dogging around Asymptotic Pantheism? Nope.... just noting the similarity between Particle Theory and the thinking of early Christians;" This is not Thou, neither art Thou this." Pantheism is an attribute of God, but not God. Fair enough.
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The Jews of Exodus wandering in the desert described God who led them as a 'Cloud of Smoke' by day and a 'Pillar of Fire by night'. No doubt to me they reported fact, but there is much more there they did not have the ability to interpret even as they watched. So they were accurate but 'incomplete' in their description. How would one of us interpret the same 'fact' were we to view it with today's understanding of reality? It'll be amazing to find out.
And now for today's pop quiz. What is the name for God the Creator?
Except the part where main stream Bible Scholars no longer accept The Exodus as a historical event, nor Moses as a historical character.... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Itching ears, hearing what they want to hear and eyes seeing only what they want to see. AS is strongly biased in his chosen direction and can only hear and see what he desires to see and hear. So, the big bang theory is “proven” false? Nah… much discussion and discovery still going on. Do your own search, there is plenty of debate going on. Here is a simplified, easier to understand view. If you want more in depth review, do your own search. http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/ask/a11461.html So, "main stream" scholars agree that Moses and the Exodus are fictitious? Nah. Again, the itching ears and eyes problem. Again, do your own investigation and articles such as this one will emerge: http://www.reformjudaism.org/exodus-not-fiction There are those who present one side of a debatable point as undisputed fact when it is not. Simple lame attempt at confusing some and fooling others.
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