As I've stated before, during most of that time period I had a lease, or was invited to leases in the hill country. I'll admit I didn't devote hundreds of man hours scouting for places, or hunting. I spent most of my free time fishing. I never knew anyone who hunted the national forests much, who ever killed one. But again my experience is limited. Captdavid

"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds.

If you are a hunter, and farther than that, get closer!