Don, think it is pretty rain dependent for a fall planting. Could go well or may not do crap. If like last year's moisture, won't do anything. The rye should pop up and perhaps the brassicas. Gotta get soil tests done on both plots this Friday. That may squash my plans as well. Its a learning thing so going to jump in.

That clethodim or however you spell it may work well at knocking back the current grass crop. Have to work this stuff in around a few spring turkey hunts on the place.