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I trim them up farily tight...They already have enough issues with their balls dragging thru the briars without having to put up with stickers under their pits, chest and belly. Seen them glow cherry red when they have to plow thru snow. Damned if you could get most of us to go there.

Snow is the worst when it starts balling up on hair. The longer it is the worst it gets.....The Toby had little quit in him.