A good friend of mine, though cheap, probably would have paid full retail for either of those scopes last year. He saw an 8-point buck with his naked eye just before dawn, but when he tried to find it in his POS Simmons scope, he couldn't find the reticle. He could see the outline of the buck in his scope but no reticle, so, to his credit, he didn't try to guess where his reticle was and take a shot.
