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Might have been the 30# trigger pull.

Might have been the 30# trigger pull.

Cock the hammer to the break point and need another 10# to break the sear is crazy.
My revolvers average 1-1/2# pulls.
OH yeah, you can control it. The pull is more then the gun weighs.
My invite is always open, come shoot.

Anyone who cannot carry a full sized steel 1911 and two extra mags all day every day is just a wimp!

I always recall reading about this stuff. But the difference is, Ayoob actually collects and catalogs such things for later articles; that’s why he’s one of the best out there. This subject is going to really ruffle some feathers because there are those who say the issue of over-penetration is essentially a non-issue. Well here are some quotes to think about if you think it’s a “non-issue”, but I recommend reading the entire article.

User error.

I owned these Kel-Tecs several years ago (I own none of them and no Kel-Tecs at all currently).



A close up of the version that bfr can't shoot well.



Here's the first group at 10 yards with the PF-9. I adjusted the windage after this group.



Here's the first group with the P-11 at 10 yards. Again, I adjusted the windage after the group.



The PF-9 is striker fired. I found it to be the least comfortable to shoot and the worst to carry concealed due to the design and the stupid light rail out front.

The P3AT was so simple to conceal that it's ridiculous. It was remarkably easy to shoot as well.

The P11 was blocky and not great to carry, but it shot well enough and the traditional DAO with a concealed hammer gave second strike capability should the round fail to fire (never happened while I owned it). It shot a lot like a S&W 642, but had more than 2x the rounds on deck, though didn't carry as well.

Over the past 15 years, I've probably owned a half-dozen P3ATs, a couple P32s, two PF-9s, and four or five P11s. None of them have SA revolver triggers, nor should they. However, if you have a clue about shooting small semi-autos or DAO revolvers, you'll quite easily get acceptable defensive accuracy from them.

What about a Model 29 and two extra speed loaders....

I think the lesson here is that an excellent marksman can make most any pistol perform well. There's always favorites, but ability, not the tool, usually wins.
Bob

I have a bit of experience with SIGs and Glocks as well.

Here's a little SIG I carried for several years (P6 West German police surplus).



Here's what it could do with 50 rounds offhand at 10 yards.



This 10mm Glock served nightstand duty for quite a few years.



Here's 50 rounds of 175 grain SilverTip JHPs at 25 yards, offhand.



Would any of those groups win a trophy or a shooting contest? Doubtfully, and I really couldn't care less about such things. Would they work just fine in a defensive situation? I think so and I'm comfortable with that.

Fine shooting but try the gun I did not like. Some say they control it but I dare them to shoot what I do. Most would cut shirt tails off, Brown stains should not go in laundry. Dang the keyboard is so easy!