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First Lt. Shaye Haver (C) and Capt. Kristen Griest (C-R) are surrounded by a group of friends and supporters after receiving their Ranger tab at Fort Benning, Georgia on August 21, 2015 (AFP Photo/Jessica McGowan)

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How much did they have to water it down for them to pass?

Kara Spears Hultgreen (5 October 1965 – 25 October 1994), was a Lieutenant and Naval Aviator in the United States Navy and the first female carrier-based fighter pilot in the U.S. Navy. She died just months after she was certified for combat, when she crashed her F-14 Tomcat into the sea on final approach to USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72).

An Accuracy in Media report quotes CDR Tom Sobiek, commanding officer of Fighter Squadron VF-124, as saying of the 4 female pilots in his squadron that "the women are going to graduate regardless of how they performed" and reports that "the Navy was in a race with the Air Force to get the first female fighter pilot".

from the article

Mass Media will have this televised for the next 5 years

I sincerely hope this ain't a big stinky pile of PC make believe.


Combat will tell.


PS I been lied to before. By the same crowd.

There are a lot of conflicting reports out there right now. It will be interesting to see what stories start filtering out after everyone gets back to their units.

Lower standards before the course even started. Their tab should have an asterisk.

The graduation of women from this warrior school is a sad, ignorant new low for our society.

As usual, the MSM is not telling us "the rest of the story". And the rest of that story is, that the women candidates (not these two who succeeded) fell out (failed) at a far, far greater rate then the men. What these two female success stories show is that very exceptional female athletes (meaning, the top 1-3%) might be able to compete with the top 25% of male athletes---for a short period of time (eg., the amount of time of the Ranger school).

What remains to be seen (and actually we already know the answer) is whether these two exceptional females will be as effective as fighters as their male counterparts and they will not be. There is nothing wrong with that; its just a fact of nature. Women can contribute to the military in many ways (they already do). But on balance they will not and cannot enhance the fighting effectiveness of the special forces.

Jordan

All the same "combat, survival, and stamina challenges"? Does that include strength challenges?

Look, I have no doubt these ladies are in better shape than I am. However, would you want your 6' 2" 200 lb son to rely on a 5'4" 140 lb female if injured in combat?

If females want "equal rights", then meet the same standards (and, who knows, did they in this case?). Also, where are all the feminists pushing to require females to sign up for Selective Service at age 18, like the guys have to?? Nope, they want females to be able to pick and choose whether they want a combat role, meanwhile, guys go where they are told.....

I'll accept they did the same course as the previous class.

As long as everybody else accepts bleeders make schitty cops, firemen, soldiers, sailors, pilots, politicians, and opinion givers.

(This list is not all inclusive.)

Dave

Drivers, you forgot drivers.

According to Gen. Mcinerney interview today, all 8 women who made it to the finals washed out in the Darby Patrol phase twice.
Three were given a third chance.
The two above, made it the 3rd time.

A few of the men were given just 1 re-cycle and were washed out. Male students who had women in their patrols also failed at an unusually high rate...

I'd best caveat that post.

Thank you.

And GFY.



Travis

DeFlave announcing yet again (for those one or two folks here who did not already know ) why he is single, divorced man with whom women will have absolutely nothing to do.

Jordan

The idea that two out of 100+ hand-picked officers with an incredible level of fitness for a woman can physically hang with men in a course after being given an incredible amount of prep shouldn't amaze anyone.

The idea that this somehow should change any discussion about women in ground-combat MOS's on the other hand.....

Until/unless the military is willing to simply have one PT test and cut the gender crap altogether, anything they say about equality is just ignoring the elephant in the room.

And we know they ain't gonna do that, because, in the end, men and women are not equal. Not saying either gender is "better," just that we damn sure are different.

I left the military years ago when they started lowering standards just like the did to force women into Leo positions and fire Depts . Jump school became a joke because of lowered standards for bleeders.

Lost track the number of these super females could not stay for long periods of time in the field and pull their fair share due to female problems. Really destroyed unit cohesion.

More fundamental change and some on here are actually applauding it.

I'm married.

But in your defense, she is Polish.



Dave