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top 3-12 LRHS, mid 4-20 XTR II, bottom 4.5-18 LRHS

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I and the vast majority of hunters are not qualified to take advantage of that ffp.


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Originally Posted by Ringman
I and the vast majority of hunters are not qualified to take advantage of that ffp.

Then they don't need those rangefinders.

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I and the vast majority of hunters are not qualified to take advantage of that ffp.

Then they don't need those rangefinders.


Need? You must be new to shooting modern firearms. We don't need more than a .30-06 with factory ammo. We don't need more than a fixed 4X scope. We want all kinds of fun toys to play with!


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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
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Where's the correct second focal plane model for hunters? Now-a-days we have rangefinders.


FFP will allow you to make correct wind holds regardless of what power the scope is set on....


As well as elevation holds, in case of quick follow-up corrections, or if you're the kind of guy who just prefers to hold over/off for everything...

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Originally Posted by Ringman
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I and the vast majority of hunters are not qualified to take advantage of that ffp.

Then they don't need those rangefinders.


Need? You must be new to shooting modern firearms. We don't need more than a .30-06 with factory ammo. We don't need more than a fixed 4X scope. We want all kinds of fun toys to play with!


The point was that RF's and FFP reticles go together like PB and J. If you have a use for one, then you have a use for the other, assuming you have already acquired the education requisite to use them both...

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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
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Where's the correct second focal plane model for hunters? Now-a-days we have rangefinders.


FFP will allow you to make correct wind holds regardless of what power the scope is set on....


Pat have you got any thoughts on this newer 4.5-18 LRHS? I remember you speaking very highly of the first model.

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The LRHS don't meet your weight requirements (restrictions).

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I am not trying to start ffp bs. If I'm shooting at distance where I'm holding dialing or both I have my scope on max power setting anyway. Now this is shooting at targets not animals(I don't really have a place to see long distances while hunting 3-400)and this is a long range hunting subforum.

So I'm curious do some have a reason to prefer having the scope power turned down some at times when shooting at distance? I have no problem with ffp just curious



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There are times when mirage or conditions require magnification to be turned down for good sight picture. With ffp the subtensions are the same so nothing changes. This can be done with sfp but one has to know what the subtensions change to for each magnification.

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I get that. Thank you.



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Field of view is another reason, especially when hunting herd animals.

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There is absolutely no downsides to a well designed FFP reticle.


The upsides are-

1) Consistent subtention regardless of power. This does not just apply to LR shooting. The reticle is a ruler and there are many things that can be done with it besides windage and elevation holds (which are the primary uses).

2) Increased field of view. This goes along with #1. If I am shooting and spotting for myself the power gets turned way down. Anywhere from 6-12x depending upon range, recoil of rifle and position. Even during sniper matches, with one of the best spotters in the business as a partner, I very rarely shoot on more then 16x. When we finished one of the toughest matches in the country this year, my partner had never taken his scope off 13x for three days of shooting from 90-680 yards. I had stayed between 12x and 16x for every target but two or three. When hunting whether the shot is at 50 yards or 500 I want to get as much information as possible about the shot. Better then 80% of the time I will see the impact of the round even with an unbraked 300WM if the position is good. Most shots I take are between 6x and 10x no matter the power of scope or range.





I've never met anyone that's learned and used a good FFP scope want to ever go back to a SFP.

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I'm with Form on this. There are a lot of reasons and uses for FFP and I tend to do most of my shooting at 12x to 16x (in matches).

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