Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles Anyone interested in some REALLY heavy .458 bullets?

My friend Wayne Doudna,the commerical bullet caster,is comtinplating buying an NEI .458 diameter mold that is a 650 grain gas checked bullet,which drops at 715 grains with a mixture of wheelweights and plumbers lead.
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<br>This bullet should be the cat's pajamas for cheap practice with a LOT of authority out of the 458 Lotts,460 Weatherby,45/120 and the like.
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<br>The problem is,is that the mold is quite expensive,and Wayne needs some order commitments before buying it.I have delt throughly with Wayne,and he is an honest guy who makes good bullets at a reasonable price and he delivers quickly.
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<br>Wayne says he'll need to charge $10 per 100 for the bullets,plus actual shipping.If you make a large order,you'll probibly want them shipping in several boxes as the weight adds up fast with this big of bullet.
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<br>Anyone who is interested,you can e-mail me at mayes@tidepool.com and I will pass it directly on to Wayne,or you can PM me or just post here.
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<br>PS-It takes 3 months for delivery of the mold once Wayne orders it,so the sooner you speak up the sooner it can be ordered and the sooner you will get your bullets.
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<br>PPS-Bullet will drop at somewhere between 650 and 715,depending on which mixture Wayne uses.The bullet is a flat nose with a large meplat
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<br>PPPS-I am in no way affiliated with Wayne's bussiness.I am in no way being paid for this.

Won't that size of bullet severely limit your powder capacity and/or your OAL constraints?
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<br>I am not knocking anyone else's idea of fun, but why would anyone want to practice with such a heavy bullet? I'm not overly recoil sensitive but I don't think I would enjoy very many 700 grain practice rounds, but to each his own.

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<br>Mostly made with single shots and the big 460 Weatherby in mind.458 Lott,460,45/100-120,all should work fine with it.
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<br>People like to practice with $0.50 a peice 500s,why not 10 cent a peice 700s??
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<br>It is all fun and game dontcaknow.
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<br>WB.

Regarding the powder and OAL, it becomes a factor in a bolt rifle. I shoot a Ruger #1 Tropical rifle. I recently loaded 73 grains of BL(C)2 powder behind a Barnes 600 grain bullet, loading out to 3.585 inches. I did not experience any undue pressure or safety problems when I shot this round. I would definitely like to try a 700 gr + cast bullet. I hunt elk with a .338 Ultra-Mag and have found that my experiences with heavy recoiling rifles is a plus, when looking thru the scope I am calmer and not anticipating the big bang.

Billy1shot:

Interesting name, considering the topic. LOL

Keep posting on the effects and benefits of shooting 6 and 700 grain bullets. Perhaps some clinician can use it in his study of brain damage...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I am surprised that there are some people who are so ignorant of the shooting sports scene that they would question why anyone would want to shoot 600 and 700 grain bullets. The FSCA,Fifty Caliber Shooters association, is devoted to accurate, long range shooting. Members include doctors, lawyers, policemen, barrel makers, gunsmiths, military personnel, ranchers, farmers, mechanics, machinists, people from all walks of life. The record for 1,000 yds is a ten shot group measuring under 2 inches. Instead of questioning brain damage for shooters who want to fire 600 and 700 grain bullets, the question should be for someone who spends too time on a ranch in Texas talking to his steers. I would rather take my big bore off the wall and actually shoot it, than tell tall tales. Remember: Don't talk the talk till you can walk the walk. I do not intend to ruffle any feathers, but I get irate when someone questions another persons reason for doing something. The climate in Texas gets to some people.

Billy1shot:

Perhaps due to initial or incipient brain damage, you missed the smiley icons at the end of my post above. For those of normal intelligence that means I am joking.

Since your profile doesn't mention where you are from, I won't bother to attack you in the same vein you attacked me. But where ever you are from you have no sense of humor and little sense.

Anytime you catch me in a tall tale, be sure to call me on it and put your money where you mouth is. Except for obvious jokes, I don't tell tall tales, perhaps you are not used to that concept. I shoot what I shoot and don't try to prove my deeds by talking about someone else's records. BTW, shooting 50 calibers, which is not what this topic involved until you brought it up, in rifles that are invariably quite heavy and equipped with a muzzle brakes is not nearly the same thing as stoking up a .458 weighing 8 or 9 pounds and shooting 700 grainers out of it. But you would know that, wouldn't you?

I can talk the talk and walk the walk, the question is, can you?

Whoa pardner, I thought that you were really serious in your first reply. I have run into that before. If I ruffled your feathers, I apologize, it's just that I really enjoy the shooting sports and take offense when someone says something smart. Yeah, I walk the walk. In addition to my big bores I am a member of FSCA. I'm one of those guys who is always experimenting with a new and better load. In closing let me say, you are right, I have little humor in matters like this.

Billy1shot:
Well is everybody happy now?
Really nice to have new members, but we do like to have fun and pull legs once in awhile, so that is why the smiley faces and such, just part of the fun of a forum.
You will eventually get to know us all and see some humor in some things.
And don't take anything to seriously around here as it is all cyberspace and hard to convey true feelings and the guys and gals here are a good bunch, even that guy Rick that kind of runs the place is not bad.
Bill

"In addition to my big bores I am a member of FSCA."

If I'm a member of a club, I at least get the acronym correct.


"The record for 1,000 yds is a ten shot group measuring under 2 inches."

Wrong!
2.6002" for a 5 shot group.
Impressive, but it's over 2" and only 5 shots.
I won't comment on measuring a group to 0.0001"!

I doubt they are shooting lead bullets! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Billy,
Mold should be arriving in a month or so.Send me a PM with how many you want and I'll get a hold of you when they're ready.

Brian.

Kahuna, here is an apology in my earlier post, I stepped out of line. You probably are just as much an ardent fan of shooting sports as I am and all the others who post on Campfire forums. A report on shooting 600 and 700 grain bullets: Loading the .458 Win Mag with .600 grain Barnes bullets, I found recoil to be quite manageable, a really big push. I made some 750 grain lead bullets with linotype, wheelweights and pure lead, loaded them with IMR 7828, recoil was enough that I won't do much plinking. The .460 Wtby was another story. The .600 grain Barnes with 110 grains of IMR 7828 probably has more recoil than my .600 Nitro with 900 grain bullets. I went down to 100 grains of IMR 7828, won't do any plinking with this one either,but should be enough for brown bear or cape buffalo. Ear plugs and ear muffs are essential for rifle is magnaported, blast is unreal. I wouldn't recommend that anyone experiment as I did with the .460 wtby, but since I did, it will be one great back-up stopper round. Are you familiar with the term (Weatherby Eye Brow)? I am and learned a lot. I hope you enjoy the report as I had a lot of fun, sort of, firing these big bullets. Bill.