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If your gunsmith finds a obvious problem, I'd send the bill to LAW. Absolutely no reason why you should have to put up with a problem like this with a rifle that has a considerable price tag that they claim to guarantee.

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Originally Posted by RDFinn
If your gunsmith finds a obvious problem, I'd send the bill to LAW. Absolutely no reason why you should have to put up with a problem like this with a rifle that has a considerable price tag that they claim to guarantee.


You think Kimber would've paid the bills on all the crap Montana's that were fixed by gunsmiths?



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Doubt it, but they don't guarantee anything either.

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Originally Posted by adam32
Originally Posted by RDFinn
If your gunsmith finds a obvious problem, I'd send the bill to LAW. Absolutely no reason why you should have to put up with a problem like this with a rifle that has a considerable price tag that they claim to guarantee.


You think Kimber would've paid the bills on all the crap Montana's that were fixed by gunsmiths?


I had Kenny Jarrett rework and rebarrel a Kimber some years ago. While visiting the shop Kenny shared that he had been in discussions with Kimber about him consulting them on building better barrels. Evidently they didn't like Kennys consulting rate and it didn't go any further... But while visiting he did see that the machine that lapped barrels was set up to do it in 3-4" increments... The machine was essentially lapping in steps every 3-4". Doesn't take an expensive consultant to figure out that one... Wonder if they ever did

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Originally Posted by RDFinn
Doubt it, but they don't guarantee anything either.


They dont?

http://www.kimberamerica.com/montana



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Well, I've never seen that before so I learned something new today. When did they start offering a sub-moa guarantee ? They are designed to be capable of shooting a 3-shot group of .99" or less...?



" Kimber rifles are designed to be capable of shooting a 3-shot group of .99” or less at 100 yards by a highly skilled and qualified shooter using factory ammunition" .

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Nice weasel words.

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Mine or theirs..

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Kimber's of course.

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Originally Posted by RDFinn
Well, I've never seen that before so I learned something new today. When did they start offering a sub-moa guarantee ? They are designed to be capable of shooting a 3-shot group of .99" or less...?



" Kimber rifles are designed to be capable of shooting a 3-shot group of .99” or less at 100 yards by a highly skilled and qualified shooter using factory ammunition" .


I actually like their wording...you know you've seen a bunch of trigger yankers, scopes crooked, terrible form, etc...and then they wonder why is doesn't shoot SUB MOA...lol



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It's the "designed to" phrase as well.

Better: "This rifle will produce sub-moa groups for a shooter who has his **** together."

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My Hart rifle rest was designed to help rifles shoot small groups......

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Originally Posted by adam32
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Well, I've never seen that before so I learned something new today. When did they start offering a sub-moa guarantee ? They are designed to be capable of shooting a 3-shot group of .99" or less...?



" Kimber rifles are designed to be capable of shooting a 3-shot group of .99” or less at 100 yards by a highly skilled and qualified shooter using factory ammunition" .


I actually like their wording...you know you've seen a bunch of trigger yankers, scopes crooked, terrible form, etc...and then they wonder why is doesn't shoot SUB MOA...lol


Well, I don't know what to tell you cause this gentlemen was told this......maybe he has a pre-promise rifle

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Bought a Montana in 223 about a year and a half ago off a member here. Tried 3-4 powders under 6-8 bullets at multiple depths and powder charges, different primers, different brass etc... went through SAS's list of things to check such as scope base screw, action screw, magbox binding, etc.... nothing worked. anywhere from 1 1/2" groups if I was lucky up to 2 1/2" groups. Sent it back to Kimber who told me accuracy was perfectly acceptable for a lightweight hunting rifle and to shove it.

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That sounds like what Brown Precision told me a few years ago.


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Originally Posted by RDFinn
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Originally Posted by RDFinn
Well, I've never seen that before so I learned something new today. When did they start offering a sub-moa guarantee ? They are designed to be capable of shooting a 3-shot group of .99" or less...?



" Kimber rifles are designed to be capable of shooting a 3-shot group of .99” or less at 100 yards by a highly skilled and qualified shooter using factory ammunition" .


I actually like their wording...you know you've seen a bunch of trigger yankers, scopes crooked, terrible form, etc...and then they wonder why is doesn't shoot SUB MOA...lol


Well, I don't know what to tell you cause this gentlemen was told this......maybe he has a pre-promise rifle

Originally Posted by jackmountain
Bought a Montana in 223 about a year and a half ago off a member here. Tried 3-4 powders under 6-8 bullets at multiple depths and powder charges, different primers, different brass etc... went through SAS's list of things to check such as scope base screw, action screw, magbox binding, etc.... nothing worked. anywhere from 1 1/2" groups if I was lucky up to 2 1/2" groups. Sent it back to Kimber who told me accuracy was perfectly acceptable for a lightweight hunting rifle and to shove it.


Maybe it is a "pre-promise" rifle. I'm not sure when Kimber started it, I noticed it a while back after they re-did their website. I've always "liked" Kimbers but never had the desire to own one so never paid much attention to them.



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I like Kimber's too. Had a wood stocked 7-08 shot good for what it is. Don't know when they added that vague "Accuracy Standard" but it doesn't sound like much of a leg to stand on if your Kimber shoots crappy.

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A few pics... There appears to be spot where friction looks to be wearing off the finish.

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Please let me know if you see anything obvious. This company won't even return calls or emails anymore. I've heard the same from another who was experiencing issues as well.

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My guess would be that an action screw is possibly bottoming out and preventing the rifle from getting held firmly in the stock.


I'm no 'smith though. Its just kind of a logic thing.

I'd check the screws and then re-bed.


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There does appear to be slight signs of friction on the front action screw.

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