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1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? #10646478 11/01/15
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south local_dirt OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP local_dirt Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south	I saw this one at the gun show today. A guy I see at a good many of the shows had it. He almost always has at least 1 pre64 at the shows I've seen him at. The wood on this one was very good. No chips, dings, scratches of any kind. It does have a buttpad and appears to have had a portion of the widow's peak cut to receive the pad. The bluing is very good and the bore and bolt face are pristine and look like it may have never been fired much. It is drilled and tapped on the left side of the receiver for a scope mount, but the screws look like they've never been touched. The seller said he believes it came from the factory that way. I did a quick check of my Winchester serial numbers manual and the date of manufacture would have been 1955. I would have taken more pics, but it was a busy show and a lot more people there on the last day than usual. The reason I usually go on the last day is the crowds and possibility of a better deal. He's asking $1150 for it. Pretty sure he'll go for less. If I decide to pass and someone else is interested, I'll gladly put you in touch. Cheers, LD Last edited by local_dirt; 11/01/15. Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH

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Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10646490 11/01/15
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south local_dirt OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP local_dirt Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south	Few more pics. Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10646910 11/01/15
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,017 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,017 Battle Born	Nice rifle. Pad and extra holes, plus the deep scratches in the floorplate reduce the value of this one though....Original sling swivels are not there as well. I'd put a value of about $700.00 on it.. The extra drilled holes in the side of the receiver really reduce the value. I remember seeing one at a local gunshow, with extra holes drilled in the side of the receiver, for 3 years in a row with no buyer at $650.00. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? bsa1917hunter #10647380 11/01/15
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Oregon45 Campfire Outfitter O Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,000 Oregon	That gun isn't "super clean." I concur with BSA: $700 at best, and likely less due to the extra holes in the receiver.

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10647500 11/01/15
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south local_dirt OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP local_dirt Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south	Thanks, fellas. As I thought, but didn't even think about the sling swivels. Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH

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Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10647524 11/01/15
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DesertMuleDeer Campfire Tracker D Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,418 Northern Hill Country	Are the holes for a scope mount or are they two holes close together near the rear of the receiver, which would be factory drilled holes for a receiver sight. I just bought an identical gun in similar with an added pad but with no extra holes. It was $1,000 and included a Leupold VX2. I think I got a great deal for a really clean shooter.

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10647736 11/01/15
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jt402 Campfire Regular J Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,691	My thoughts also, re the receiver sight holes??? As to value, a nice '55 70 with a pad has got to be worth as much as a 700 or a 77. Jack "Do not blame Caesar, blame the people...who have...rejoiced in their loss of freedom....Blame the people who hail him when he speaks of the 'new, wonderful, good, society'...to mean ,..living fatly at the expense of the industrious." Cicero

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? DesertMuleDeer #10647910 11/01/15
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,017 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,017 Battle Born	Originally Posted by DesertMuleDeer Are the holes for a scope mount or are they two holes close together near the rear of the receiver, which would be factory drilled holes for a receiver sight. I just bought an identical gun in similar with an added pad but with no extra holes. It was $1,000 and included a Leupold VX2. I think I got a great deal for a really clean shooter. OP makes it sound like they are extra holes drilled and tapped in the side of the receiver for "scope mounts". No pictures of the port side of the rifle or we'd know for certain what he's talking about. As you said, the factory drilled 2 holes near the rear of the receiver: Maybe the OP can let us know for sure. I'd up my value estimate if I knew which holes he's talking about, but hold true to the $700.00 estimate if there are more than the 2 factory drilled holes as pictured above.. Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10648972 11/02/15
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south local_dirt OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP local_dirt Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south	Fellas, they are the factory drilled holes as discussed and as I described in original post. They are identical to BSA's pic in post above. The seller was not offering a scope with the deal. Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10650390 11/02/15
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tmitch Campfire Tracker T Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,954	When you said "It is drilled and tapped on the left side of the receiver for a scope mount", probably most here thought of the G&H/Williams/Weaver side mounts people had their guns drilled and tapped for in the '50s & '60s so they could see their irons underneath. Have seen several receivers that looked like Swiss cheese after Bubba tried to do it himself with a hand drill. That totally tanks their value. The two factory holes at the rear of the receiver are more commonly referred to as receiver sight holes, although there might have been an odd scope mount or two that used them. If the metal work's good you could always shop for a nicer stock to get it back to factory condition. I think the other guys could give you a better value than I. Charter Member Ancient order of the 1895 Winchester "It's an insecure and petite man who demands all others like what he likes and dislike what he dislikes." szihn

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Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10650440 11/02/15
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Poconojack Campfire Tracker P Joined: May 2010 Posts: 7,346 The West Mountain	Stith marketed mounts that used the factory d&t receiver sight holes for scope mounting back in the day. Saved a lot of rear receiver bridges from being maimed.... "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10650902 11/02/15
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Savage_99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,807	That M70 has the heavy non-Featherweight barrel and the stock is ruined with that gross slapped on recoil pad. Don't make an offer on it. Let it go. It's not worth 1/2 price. Look for a Featherweight in much better shape.

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? tmitch #10652472 11/02/15
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,017 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,017 Battle Born	Originally Posted by tmitch When you said "It is drilled and tapped on the left side of the receiver for a scope mount", probably most here thought of the G&H/Williams/Weaver side mounts people had their guns drilled and tapped for in the '50s & '60s so they could see their irons underneath. Have seen several receivers that looked like Swiss cheese after Bubba tried to do it himself with a hand drill. That totally tanks their value. The two factory holes at the rear of the receiver are more commonly referred to as receiver sight holes, although there might have been an odd scope mount or two that used them. If the metal work's good you could always shop for a nicer stock to get it back to factory condition. I think the other guys could give you a better value than I. Spot on. That's the way I read it. Generally there's no need to mention the 2 holes in the receiver because they are factory drilled and tapped. It's like saying the rifle had a bolt or a trigger..... Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10653392 11/03/15
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south local_dirt OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP local_dirt Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 44,199 south of south	BSA, gotcha. Didn't really have a use for it, anyway. I'm happy with the 30-06 FWT I got from handwerk last year. That gun has really turned out nice. What I'm really looking for is a .270 FWT. Yeah, I know. Keep looking. Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10653940 11/03/15
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patbrennan Campfire Regular P Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,672 BC	One thing I try to remember before buying a gun is to decide whether it is what I really want. Buying something because it is a good deal often fouls up having funds available when something you really want comes along! (I don't always listen to myself!)

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10654006 11/03/15
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Poconojack Campfire Tracker P Joined: May 2010 Posts: 7,346 The West Mountain	There are 270 Fwts. out there, but bargain prices are virtually non-existent. High condition examples are $1,800+ where I shop for guns.... "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10654522 11/03/15
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patbrennan Campfire Regular P Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,672 BC	High condition examples of fwt 270s are virtually unheard of this side of the border, at least I haven't seen one in original condition. Every one I have seen has been "well used".

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10654950 11/03/15
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DesertMuleDeer Campfire Tracker D Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,418 Northern Hill Country	Originally Posted by local_dirt I saw this one at the gun show today. A guy I see at a good many of the shows had it. He almost always has at least 1 pre64 at the shows I've seen him at. The wood on this one was very good. No chips, dings, scratches of any kind. It does have a buttpad and appears to have had a portion of the widow's peak cut to receive the pad. The bluing is very good and the bore and bolt face are pristine and look like it may have never been fired much. It is drilled and tapped on the left side of the receiver for a scope mount, but the screws look like they've never been touched. The seller said he believes it came from the factory that way. I did a quick check of my Winchester serial numbers manual and the date of manufacture would have been 1955. I would have taken more pics, but it was a busy show and a lot more people there on the last day than usual. The reason I usually go on the last day is the crowds and possibility of a better deal. He's asking $1150 for it. Pretty sure he'll go for less. If I decide to pass and someone else is interested, I'll gladly put you in touch. Cheers, LD Given clarification on holes I would say $850-900. I paid $1,000 for a similar condition gun with a $150-200 scope included. I also bought a 270 Featherweight on campfire a couple of months ago for $750. Original Bluing on the .270 I would rate at 98-99 percent if someone would have not polished the bolt and refinished the stock. Regardless, it is a nice shooter that has not been fired much.

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10655130 11/03/15
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RogerD Campfire Member R Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 289	I think it just depends on whether you like the rifle or not. I paid 1150 for this and I know it's not collectible,but I can spend a lot more on any rifle. So it's good to ask the RKI's and learn,it just boils down to what you want. p.s. Would I rather have the Op's rifle or mine...I like mine better and I bet many would disagree or say neither...like a say it depends on whether the rifle is what you want.

Re: 1955 Winchester Pre64 30-06 - Opinions on value? local_dirt #10655306 11/03/15
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tmitch Campfire Tracker T Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,954	Is that a Lyman Alaskan in Griffin & Howe mounts? To me, that's a classy setup. For the time period, it didn't get much better. I know the side mount holes hurt "collector" value, but it wouldn't bother me to own one that looks like that! Last edited by tmitch; 11/03/15. Charter Member Ancient order of the 1895 Winchester "It's an insecure and petite man who demands all others like what he likes and dislike what he dislikes." szihn

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