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#10708113 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: ltppowell]  
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Based solely on what you know about the uncontested facts around the event:

S.O. calls rancher for help.

He shows up and is shot to death by the two deputies at the scene.

His Wife and others are prevented from going to him and are treated roughly and handcuffed.

Would you consider hiring them in your Dep't after they are cleared in the investigation?


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#10708114 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: curdog4570]  
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#10708122 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: jwp475]  
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"Wrongs must first be proven in a court room and at this point that has not been done, making your question hypothetical"

You don't usually make stupid statements so I'll give you a chance to amend it.


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Originally Posted by curdog4570
"Wrongs must first be proven in a court room and at this point that has not been done, making your question hypothetical"

You don't usually make stupid statements so I'll give you a chance to amend it.


Both criminal and or civil wrongs must be proven in court to have legal ramifications.. You dissagree with this?



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#10708182 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: curdog4570]  
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Originally Posted by curdog4570
Based solely on what you know about the uncontested facts around the event:

S.O. calls rancher for help.

He shows up and is shot to death by the two deputies at the scene.

His Wife and others are prevented from going to him and are treated roughly and handcuffed.

Would you consider hiring them in your Dep't after they are cleared in the investigation?


One should not have been hired in the first place and none of this would have happened if the deputy did not grab Jack when he was ready to fire.

There way, bullets were flying everywhere instead of one bullet in the bulls head.

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"to have legal ramifications."

Nice amendment.


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#10708200 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: logcutter]  
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Originally Posted by logcutter
Originally Posted by curdog4570
Based solely on what you know about the uncontested facts around the event:

S.O. calls rancher for help.

He shows up and is shot to death by the two deputies at the scene.

His Wife and others are prevented from going to him and are treated roughly and handcuffed.

Would you consider hiring them in your Dep't after they are cleared in the investigation?


One should not have been hired in the first place and none of this would have happened if the deputy did not grab Jack when he was ready to fire.

There way, bullets were flying everywhere instead of one bullet in the bulls head.


Which is why I believe any transgression on Mr. Yantis's part was strictly verbal.


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Which is why I believe any transgression on Mr. Yantis's part was strictly verbal.


I would agree with that but his nephew said he did not see them talking.

What would a rancher have to say to two idiots that just riddled his bull with bullets failing to kill it?Jack was known for reloading and long range accuracy....

#10708281 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: bigwhoop]  
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Is this Deputy Brian Wood originally from Texas? Because, if it were the same Brian Wood, then, yeah, he definitely has some skeletons in his closet from other departments.


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To be fair,it said he left the department for a confidential personal matter..

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This morning's McCall Star News reports that 79-year-old Rodney Whaley filed the claim following the incident, in which he said he was "forcefully seized by the arms and slammed to the hood of a police car, causing him to lose consciousness." Whaley was taken by ambulance to St. Luke's Hospital in McCall and was later booked into the Valley County Jail for resisting and obstructing officers. The charges were later dismissed.

The Star News said Whaley claimed to have suffered four bruised ribs and later developed pneumonia and a staph infection.

McCall Police Officer Brian Wood was involved in the incident. Wood left the department in November 2011, but city officials said his departure was a confidential personnel matter.

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Originally Posted by logcutter
To be fair,it said he left the department for a confidential personal matter..

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This morning's McCall Star News reports that 79-year-old Rodney Whaley filed the claim following the incident, in which he said he was "forcefully seized by the arms and slammed to the hood of a police car, causing him to lose consciousness." Whaley was taken by ambulance to St. Luke's Hospital in McCall and was later booked into the Valley County Jail for resisting and obstructing officers. The charges were later dismissed.

The Star News said Whaley claimed to have suffered four bruised ribs and later developed pneumonia and a staph infection.

McCall Police Officer Brian Wood was involved in the incident. Wood left the department in November 2011, but city officials said his departure was a confidential personnel matter.


I would not be surprised to find that the "personal confidential" matter was the formation of a local lynch mob to retaliate for his abuse. No doubt resigning preserved his ability to lateral and become another departments problem.


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#10708395 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: logcutter]  
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Originally Posted by logcutter
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McCall Police Officer Brian Wood was involved in the incident. Wood left the department in November 2011, but city officials said his departure was a confidential personnel matter.


That's personnel not personal. Big difference.

Personnel involves HR, management, and possibly disciplinary matters.


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Originally Posted by BarryC
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To be fair,it said he left the department for a confidential personal matter..

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McCall Police Officer Brian Wood was involved in the incident. Wood left the department in November 2011, but city officials said his departure was a confidential personnel matter.


That's personnel not personal. Big difference.

Personnel involves HR, management, and possibly disciplinary matters.
Exactly. Whomever was quoted was just saying they were not at liberty to elaborate with more details due to Brian Wood's rights as an employee-that personnel matters are confidential.

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They may be confidential due to an agreement, contract, court order or....


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#10708701 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: bigwhoop]  
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I'd still like to know if it's the same dude.

#10708729 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: BarryC]  
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Originally Posted by BarryC
They may be confidential due to an agreement, contract, court order or....


In Texas [at least] an employment record is confidential...period.

"Are they eligible for re-hire" is one question that is permitted, but most companies refuse to give anything other than dates of employment.


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That's personnel not personal. Big difference.


Yup..Bad Jayco...I was walking out the door as I posted that without reading the quote right. Personal/personnel..Either way quite a coincidence right after McCall had to fork out almost 15 grand for his actions in roughing up a 79 year old.

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#10708866 - 11/17/15 Re: Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull. [Re: curdog4570]  
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Originally Posted by curdog4570
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They may be confidential due to an agreement, contract, court order or....


In Texas [at least] an employment record is confidential...period.



Not if it involves a governmental record subject to open records requests, such as an offense report.


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I think we've established the fact over the years that my career was in private business, and that's what I spoke to.

I'm quite sure that L.E. can look into a personnel record of a private employee, for that matter.

But not a newspaper reporter, as is the case with this topic.


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Some more insight on Jack from long time locals.

Several people over two days of interviews in Council said Mr. Yantis, who ran for sheriff himself seven or eight years ago but lost, was also a man who was not about to hold his tongue when he felt wronged.

“There is little doubt, residents and family members said, that Mr. Yantis was a tough man who had lived a tough outdoor life. He lost part of a toe in a logging accident, and just a few years ago when he was in his 50s — and still training horses — he broke his pelvis coming down on a saddle horn when the horse bucked.

He was a good man, he was an honest man, a hard worker, but he did have a bit of a temper,” said Bob Grossen, whose family has been in the Council area since the 1880s. “But if you know Jack, if you grew up around Jack, you know Jack would not be the person who would pull a gun on someone — I have no problem saying that.”

Mr. Yantis’s two daughters described him as a soft-spoken man who rarely raised his voice and who loved his animals. He trained his daughters in gun safety from the age of 5. His idea of Sunday worship was to head into Idaho’s back country.

“Let’s go see what God created,” he would say, his daughter Sarah Yantis, 42, recalled.


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