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WTF?!! Does everybody except me chronograph every single load they create/load? How in the world would you know all of this?!?
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John Steinbeck
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Even H4350 was almost unobtainable for a while, and I used it for more handloads in my rifles than any other powder.
But about the time my stash of H4350 started to get low, IMR4451 appeared. While it is made in Canada, unlike H4350 (or the Belgian Ramshot powders), it doesn't have to shipped across an ocean.
I tested 4451 and found it to work just as well as H4350, so switched over. So far "working up" loads has been very easy: I try a grain less 4451 than H4350, and the result either spot-on or very close.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
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Not much, I am pretty much done with anything Ramshot except TAC since there is no point depending on something that they can't get imported into the country no matter how good it might be. Best stick with something obtainable. At least St. Marks isn't held hostage by NATO. Bingo Dennis.
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Clearly Montana folks like to promote Montana products, over and over again. Not sure why... 
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Even H4350 was almost unobtainable for a while, and I used it for more handloads in my rifles than any other powder.
But about the time my stash of H4350 started to get low, IMR4451 appeared. While it is made in Canada, unlike H4350 (or the Belgian Ramshot powders), it doesn't have to shipped across an ocean.
I tested 4451 and found it to work just as well as H4350, so switched over. So far "working up" loads has been very easy: I try a grain less 4451 than H4350, and the result either spot-on or very close. Ditto with 7977 vs H1000.I was in the same boat as you. they are pretty much interchangeable.Been pleased with the Enduron IMR
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Yeah, difficulty getting powder from overseas has been a trend recently, whether with Hodgdon, Ramshot or Alliant. Hard to pin down an overall reason, since various factors have all played a role, including factory fires, political tensions in Europe and the Mideast, and even New Zealand getting nervous about more ships full of powder stopping at the Auckland harbor.
In the early years of smokeless rifle powder almost every major military power in the world came up with their own formula, so they wouldn't have to depend on another country for powder. But the recent world-wide marketplace made it far easier to contract with foreign factories for powders, and the sky-high demand since Obama became president obviously also had an effect.
I'm actually a little surprised China hasn't started making smokeless powder and selling it to U.S. companies. After all, that's where the majority of the fireworks Americans set off every year are made, and the Chinese apparently aren't afraid of those factories blowing up. A big one went boom over there last month, but we'll be lighting up the sky with Chinese black powder come July.
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John Steinbeck
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Even H4350 was almost unobtainable for a while, and I used it for more handloads in my rifles than any other powder.
But about the time my stash of H4350 started to get low, IMR4451 appeared. While it is made in Canada, unlike H4350 (or the Belgian Ramshot powders), it doesn't have to shipped across an ocean.
I tested 4451 and found it to work just as well as H4350, so switched over. So far "working up" loads has been very easy: I try a grain less 4451 than H4350, and the result either spot-on or very close. Good to know, thanks. I just picked up a couple pounds to try.
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Yeah, a factory fire sure is inconvenient.
I'm a Big Game, Hunter, and TAC fan. Got enough of all three to last until volume comes back.
Big Game is great for 7mm-08, Hunter owns .30-06, TAC for .223. P Would agree with this ^^^^^^.
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