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my uncle used to have a 217 lb. Tosa. I would've put that dog against a couple yotes.

Eddie

.....A well trained hunting gaze hound (greyhound or wolfhound)would make quick work of a coyote(problem being to find such an animal these days). A number of dogs could kill even a larger coyote,IF they could catch it! My rottweiler would bust him up good,but would need a faster dog to catch the critter for him..My rat terriers could probobly catch the critter,but having caught him,would likely end up a coyote lunch.....

Most domestic dogs, and Im speaking of "real" dogs, not minis or fu-fu dogs, have way more grit than a coyote. Coyotes will occasionally catch,kill and consume the small dog breeds, the tiny terriers, weenie dogs etc, but when the domestic dog is on par in weight and size of a coyote, the domestic dog is at no real risk of being whooped on.
Most coyote dogs, used for decoy work are cur dogs, weighing 35-50 pounds,and their owners seldom fear their dogs will end up in harms way mixing it up with a coyote or two. Coyotes are way more bluff and run than domestic dogs, which are more inclined to grab ahold of what they want, and kill it.

those irish wolf hounds are bad ass! lady had one in at home depot last year was 8 months old. im 6'3-6'4 255 lbs. bent down to pet the dog and when i stopped, the dog did the simple "hey give me attention" with its head and damn near knocked me on my ass! i can imagine those things would do some damage on a coyote!

While at the library I found a "living off the land" type magazine with articles about building a cabin, a garden, etc, and Ayoob does articles about guns for the "frontier." He told a story about a 100lb+ Bull Mastiff that took off after a 'yote that was trying to get at a young sheppard belonging to company staying at his master's house. As the story went, the BM was jumped by four other coyotes when he reached the brush. By the time the owner got there with a gun, the Mastiff was chewed up pretty good, but there were two dead 'yotes and a good blood trail leaving the area where the chewed up survivors had retreated. The Mastiff had already disembowled the two dead coyotes in his rage. I suspect coyotes will leave that residence alone for a generation or two. Assuming Ayoob wasn't fluffing the story some, that's a pretty damn cool Mastiff.

Jefe,
Sadly my experience doesn't compare to yours. In fact, much of what I know about coyotes and dogs is quite the opposite. Many beaglers and coon hunters have had plenty of coyote problems when hunting their dogs. Also, decoy dogs aren't there to fight a coyote, they troll the coyote back to the waiting gun. Hunters using decoy dogs absolutely do not want their dog out too far, or too long without the gun backup. Hound hunters who run coyotes with hounds and allow the dogs to make the kill, first wear the coyote out by running it, then the hunters drop fresh experienced kill dogs on the ran down coyote. Then the 4 or 5 considerably larger hounds have a fight on their hounds before they kill the coyote. I don't see them dropping just a single dog to kill the coyote. Just doesn't happen. I guess in a ring/pit one of those really huge fighting dogs would make short enough work of the coyote. But that ain't reality for the most part. It certainly seems there is a lot of macho attatched to dog owners, sort of like the "my dad can beat up your dad" thing.

Some of you guys are confusing the issue. Yep, a big mean dude may win the fight, and often times will win a fight due to size by overpowering a smaller opponent.

There is a difference between fighting bites and hold, and the kill bite. Either can result in a kill or failure. A single coursing hound can make a kill, if they know how. They make the kill like a cheetah kills larger prey, a Mt. lion kills a horse or elk, a bobcat kills a deer.

Two coursing hounds do work better, if they work together. One will try to trip or down prey, while the other will position for neck or suffocation bite. A coursing hound by itself will usually try the same thing, by downing animal, and then going for the kill bite.

In turn the coyote can also utilize a kill bite, but has a tendency to cut and slash while running animal larger than itself. Of course dogs and wolves exhibit the same type of behavior when they have too, on larger prey. It is just that the instinct for the kill bite is more inherent in some canines than others.

I had a coyote-aussie shepherd mix, and he was a comical dog to own. The smartest dog I ever had, but only about 45 pounds, wet. He would tend to rip and slash while running, but would whip his butt around to take a bigger dog's legs out from under him, and then grab him by the throat. He did this to several macho breeds, often hanging from their throats and being drug until they passed out.

I have a border collie/Queensland Heeler bitch now that regularly kills possums, coons, cats, etc. Generally grabs them by the neck and either chokes them or if they are small enough, just shakes them and snaps their necks.

That's Backwoods Home magazine. Dave Duffy is the owner/editor. I've read it for years and remember when Ayoob first came on. Alas, it is much harder to find in bookstores than it used to be. Just about anybody here would like it. I think I started in on it clear back in about '89. My how time flies.

Yeah, that's the one. I couldn't remember the exact name so I didn't try. For a little po-dunk town, our public library is loaded with great outdoor related reading--------I've got four Rutstrum books and a Stewart E. White book checked out right now. Also available, Selous, Corbett, Capstick, Ruark, Waterman, Oconnor, Whelen, Bear, the DGJ &SS Rifles to name a few. Sorry for the hi-jack, I'm just a little proud of our library, after visiting other towns where hunting isn't PC.

BTW, here's a link to the magazine.
http://www.backwoodshome.com

Remseven you're right, I don't understand the different techniques used by dogs to kill each other. I just loved the story of a large pissed off dog that turned the tables on a pack of yotes trying to kill a sheppard pup. Would have been great PPV material. Didn't mean to knock the discussion off it's tracks.

We had a pitbull/lab cross which weighed about 70 pounds and could handle any two coyotes without too much trouble. He never killed any but insisted they submit. His technique was to grab them anywhere and shake them like a rat (and he cold shake 50 pounds with little difficulty). Word got out, I guess, and for a long time, we seldom saw a coyote. He's gone now and has been replaced with an airdale bitch whic, I think, will do just fine.
We had a little twenty pound scruffy terrier mix which was caught out by two coyotes and was torn up pretty badly. The coyotes were taking too much punishment themselves, I guess, and finally gave up. It's not good survival strategy for a predator to be injured going after a meal so they prefer to avoid it. GD

I bet this will work!! http://www.anypet.com/wolf.html

You want to see hounds and coyotes check out this site Nitro's Coyote Hound and Hunting Adventure

Thanks for the llink and info!

Great to know some are still running hounds like they should be doing it.

Can I ask the lineage on the 'yote hounds. Think I see some Leopard, Trigg, Greyhound, Walker/English mix going on there.

Looks like someone did a good job on the breeding mix to regain the performance?

6mm250
Sent you an E-mail about a coyote in eastern NC.
I have a chow/shepperd mix that is very protective. He was barking up a storm (something he hardly ever does) I looked out and there was a coyote standing in the front yard. I grabbed the rifle but when I opened the door my dog went into seek and kill mode and chased the coyote across the cow pasture. I popped off a few rounds at the coyote to let him know he was not welcome. A .44 magnum really kicks up the mud.

There are several breeds that will jump, trail/run, catch and kill a coyote one on one. In Kansas/Oklahoma/Illinois and several other plains states, a greyhound mix will take a coyote out by themselves also just not use their nose to track.
We killed over 35 last year with only about half being shot.

CK

I hunt on a farm that has four of those big Great Pyrinese dogs running loose. They are bread for livestock protection. The farmer told me they never see any coyotes around their farm because the dogs run them all off.

Still I find plenty of coyote tracks and scat every time I hunt there.

I think my two Labs would kill a coyote...from indigestion. I think that size does not matter for the most part but helps... As an earlier post mentions that most of the kill gene has been diluted out of house pets, not so with the Coyote. If you have seen a dog with an intact kill gene it is a beautiful and frightening thing when in action. Had a Malamute/something/wolf mix years ago as a family pet, that was gentle as a lamb but when the kill switch was turned on, scary to imagine 2 or 3 running together hunting you.

Out in Eastern CO I have heard a number of stories of the big Rots being lured away from the homestead by a decoy dog and never being seen again. Death by 1000 cuts...

I might be taking my dog out small-gaming and birding...he's not a trained hunting dog though, so I worry about him running off after a yote and possibly getting hurt. Do yotes ever turn on dogs and attack them once they've run out a little ways, or do they not tend towards that sort of thing?

I'm guessing this would almost never happen unless the yotes were in a group...just wanted to ask.