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There are 2 of these for sale in the paper. Does anyone now the value of something like this? I know nothing. What are they, Pumps? What is a 30 Rem?

The .30 Remington

By Chuck Hawks

In 1906 Remington introduced their line of rimless rifle cartridges. These included the subject of this article, the .30 Remington.

The .30 Remington is obsolete today, but at one time it was the principle challenger of the famous .30-30 Winchester. Oddly, it has recently been rediscovered as the parent case of the 6.8mm SPC cartridge. Factory loaded ammunition in .30 Rem. remained available in the 1980's from both Remington and Winchester, and possibly into the 1990's.

The .30 Remington is basically a rimless version of the .30-30. Its case capacity is virtually identical, and reloading data suitable for use in the .30-30 is also suitable for use in the .30 Rem.

The .30 Remington case is a rimless, bottleneck type 2.03" long. The rim diameter is .421" and the rim thickness .045". The overall cartridge length is 2.525". Bullet diameter is officially .307", but standard .308" bullets are used. Primer size is Large Rifle. The SAAMI maximum average pressure is 38,000 cup.

The .30 Remington is no longer included in most reloading manuals, but for those with a supply of brass, .30-30 Winchester loads may be substituted. This is specifically stated in the Speer Reloading Manual Number 13.

The 45th Edition of the Lyman Reloading Manual included data showing that the 150 grain Core-Lokt RN bullet (SD .226) could be driven to a MV of 2123 fps by 30.0 grains of IMR 3031 powder and a MV of 2364 fps by 33.0 grains of IMR 3031. The Core-Lokt HP 170 grain RN (SD .256) could be driven to a MV of 1893 fps by 27.0 grains of IMR 3031 powder, or to a MV of 2114 fps by 30.0 grains of IMR 3031. These Lyman loads used Remington brass, Remington 9 1/2 primers, and were test fired in the 22" barrel of a Remington Model 81 rifle.

It is perhaps worth noting that .30 Remington rifles with box magazines can safely use spitzer (pointed) bullets, although at .30 Rem. velocities there is not much advantage in so doing. For woods and brush hunting, for which the .30 Remington was designed, a flat point or round nose bullet is generally preferred.


MODEL 14/14A RIFLE - .25 Rem., .30 Rem., .32 Rem., or .35 Rem. cal., 22 in. barrel, 5 shot mag., open sight, plain pistol grip stock, 22 in. steel barrel, 6 lbs. Mfg. 1912-35.
Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$800 $700 $600 $500 $400 $300 $200
Add 30% for "thumbnail" safety (introduced in 1918).
Add 15% for .25 Rem.
This model was also manufactured in higher grades, including A, C, and F. Premiums vary according to originality and condition.

MODEL 14R CARBINE - similar to 14A, with 18 in. barrel, straight grip stock.
Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$900 $800 $700 $600 $500 $400 $350
Add 25% for .25 Rem. cal.
Add 10% for .35 Rem. cal.

MODEL 141/141A - .25 Rem. (very few mfg. during 1936 only), .30 Rem., .32 Rem., or .35 Rem. cal., 24 in. barrel, takedown, open sight, plain pistol grip stock. Mfg. 1936-50.
Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$465 $425 $350 $295 $240 $195 $165
Add 60% for .25 Rem. cal.
Add 10% for .35 Rem. cal.

MODEL 141 CARBINE - mfg. 1936-42.
Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$825 $750 $700 $650 $600 $550 $500

T thanks they are listed at $425. each. Could be a buy! I don't know that I'm interested. If any one else is PM me for the number.
Denny

It's really not so obsolete. Graf & Sons sells the .30 Remington brass and it uses standard .308 diameter bullets. It can be loaded using 30-30 load data.

Here's the brass.

http://www.grafs.com/metallic/747

Whelenman
They are pump's (slide action)Nice made rifle's. The mod 14 is the early one, replaced by the 141. Spiral magazine tube's with the theory of using spitzer bullet's. (good luck, mine wouldn't work with spitzer bullet's). .30 rem is the REM equivalent of the Win 30-30. Also came in .25 rem .32 rem and .35 rem. Check for crack's in the tang of stock. Kind of a intricare design but nice made rifle's. They are a takedown also. Around here between 300 to 400 dollar's. I like the 14 better.
Karl

there is a 141 for sale on ar here is link 141 on ar for sale

Great balance and handling, super bush rifle, great quality rifles. You can find ammo if you look reeeal hard.

Wow! With that much ammo.....GREAT PRICE!

I'd "almost" like to have one for old-time's sake. I hunted with a 30 cal 141 topped with a 2.5x Weaver when I was a kid. Good handling rifle. If I remember correctly I always shot 150 gr round noses out of it.
Good short range deer rifle.

My Model 14 (.35 Rem) is a favorite for hog hunting in the brush as well as for deer.

if i had the money i would of jumped on the one on ar site

Cool

i have and have had a bunch of 14's and 141's in all the calibers in rifle and carbine. they are my favorite gun. the carbines are especially nice. the 30 rem is ballistic equivalent to the 30/30. same loads work in both. the difference is the 30 rem is rimless. you can readily get brass and the lee handloader works fine for these. you can also neck the 30 rem down to 25 rem and up to 32 rem. the 35 rem is a different animal. i hunt with one or more every year.

value varies depending on condition from about $250 for a rough one to over $2000 for a rare variation. the standard rifle 30 rem in decent shape would be $4-500 these days. i started buying them years ago when they were $250 at every gun show.

that brass is out of stock, try finding some. I have a friend on a project trying to make it out of 30.30 winchester due to it's unobtainium.

tell me about that "you can readily get brass" i haven't found it.

I had my M14 carbine in 30 Rem at the recent Tonto Basin get-together. I brought it to the firing line for show-and-tell. Some of the fellows hadn't seen one before. I didn't have an African big-bore to share like some of the fellows did, so I brought my little carbine that someone before me had modified to replicate the rare Rem14 carbine version that was made for a specific contract-buy from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police about a hundred years ago.

My rifle has a cut-down barrel to 18", a slim pistol-grip stock, with a sturdy, non-adjustable peep sight on the rear of the receiver. After I worked up a good handload for the rifle I replaced the front sight in order to bring the point of aim and the point of impact together at 100 yards.

There was a paper-plate-sized steel gong hanging 124 yards out from the portable shooting benches. (Thanks, Jeff).

My five seconds of fame came when I hit the gong with the first shot. I decided I would quit while I was ahead and save my limited ammo.

One of the fellows stated, "Well, I guess you can call that rifle sighted in!"



Years ago I took a couple of nephews to the range. We were shooting Marlin 30-30's and I had the 30 Rem carbine along, also. While a nephew was shooting one of my 30-30's I saw a fired case partly extract as he cycled the action. He shook the rifle for a second and the case fell out.

He fired again and the same thing happened. I said "Hold it, let me take a look", suspecting a broken extractor. The gun looked okay, so I picked up the fired case and realized it was a 30 Rem case.

My nephew had grabbed a box of 30 Rem by mistake and loaded the 30-30 magazine with 30 Rem. They fired fine with no harm to the case or gun, and hit the target as expected. The extractor just couldn't hang on to the rimless case to extract well. The cases forward of the rim are almost identical.

Moral of the story: Pay attention to the ammo you are using. In a survival situation 30 Rem will work in a 30-30, but not the other way around.

I have a M141 in 35 Rem, also. They are nice, handy rifles.

a guy at the gunshow i went to last month had a couple bags of 100 new brass and several boxes of the last generation remington factory loads from the 90's. i think the brass was $135/100 and the ammo was $45/box. i have hundreds of factory loads and lots of brass so i passed on it. now that said, this is in PA, the home turf of the remington pumps. Reeds ammo sells brass and custom ammo too. if you look around, you can find it.

Is it possible to get 6.8mm SPC brass and make .30 Remington out of that?

30 Rem case length is 2.06"
6.8mm SPC case length is 1.68"