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why don't we make being lazy and stupid illegal?

then people could do what they wanted!

Yes, Prohibition is a great example of what happens when the government tries to impose morality on the governed. Instead of stopping the problem, they created an avenue for the most ruthless people in the country to get super rich and spread corruption to levels previously unheard of.

Once Prohibition was repealed, the problems with crime associated with it went away. That's actually a bit inaccurate. The drive by shootings and bombing of rival bootleggers stopped but the mega-rich criminals used their ill gotten money and influence to gain control of other areas of society.

It was already said here, but the war on drugs has created more of a problem than the drugs themselves ever could. After billions and billions of dollars spent and untold numbers of people jailed, drugs are more widespread than ever and with pot the potency has gone way up. The War on Drugs is a complete failure and such will be the fate of any war on vice.

I'm not for alcohol, pot, nicotine, meth or any drug. I am againt hypocrisy and heavy handed government efforts to legislate morality - efforts which do nothing but enrich criminals, corrupt law enforcement and politicians (like politicians need any more corruption) while doing nothing to stop the vice they purport to control.


Lots of people take a drink or six every night, lots of people smoke a joint or three or four every night and still manage to be reliable, responsible members of society. Lots of people drink or smoke dope every day and are total losers. IMHO the common denominator is that the losers were going to be losers either way, the drug of choice is irrelevant.

Well stated Jim!

Well said and spot on.... ^^^^^^^^^^

So why ADD ANOTHER factor to the equation? did you not see my post RE: Holland?

Yes, I saw your post on Holland. If adding another factor is bad then wouldn't removing a factor be good? MAKE ALCOHOL ILLEGAL!!!!

I'd very much like to see examples of countries where widespread use of alcohol made the roads in that country safer while lowering both violent encounters and divorce rates. While we're at it, I'd like to see examples of countries where widespread use of nicotine, both in smoked and smokeless forms, lowered the rates of cancer and emphysema.

Oh, wait, alcohol and nicotine are the drugs you use so we need to leave them alone.

Did you understand that I am not for drugs, but am against hypocrisy?

yep put me in the freedom camp


Lots of examples of successful folks that use weed regularly

Lots of examples of lazy folks that all they seem to do is smoke weed

Lots of different thimgs folks use to escape reality for a bit whether drugs or religion


Just know you don't hear of as many domestic assaults, bad car wrecks from the overuse of pot as you do alcohol

With this caveat HIDE YOUR OREOS

Imo&e alcohol is a far more dangerous drug than weed

But I'm not for banning either of them

I'm not for banning guns either

Because it is already there, and not regulated in the least. Pot remaining illegal, means people will remain smoking it illegaly. It isn't going away whether legal or illegal.

The amount of money to be saved by not incarcerating minor criminals, major pot criminals, the police structure to fight it, and the jailing industry to house the minority of folks who are caught is staggering.

Tax it at 30+%, regulate the product, and you have a new industry for jobs and tax revenue. It is the exact same situation as alcohol prohibition. It empowers criminals and makes them rich, while the lower level criminals are the only ones at risk.

Do you think Mexico would straighten up their act with the drug cartels, if we had a legal trade and tariff on marijuana, to the exclusion of harder drugs? I think it would be worth a try, instead of spending billions in a failed war against it, we could control the situation with tax and regulation and create more revenue.

And I also know plenty of lazy ones that don't smoke....

Be responsible for you and your actions, don't make me pay for your issues. Thats pretty simple. Probably too simple.

Colorado sold a billion dollars worth of marijuana in 2015 and socked away 135 million dollars in state taxes.

It's just a matter of time until it's legalized nationwide.

States are hurting for money. They're not going to turn their backs on a billion dollar a year industry.

There is merit in this concept but one must always consider the .Gov factor. When was the last time they actually did something correct and competent? I see the potential of this concept to fail in the end because like always they would OVERREGULATE it to death resulting in the very same or even worse Black Market we have now.

My House of Rep congressman Emanual Cleaver says that states would go bankrupt in a month without tobacco and alcohol taxes. The gov't has a rocky position on tobacco, and a better history with alcohol since the 1940's. Regulate it, stamp it, tax it, and quit wasting money on a vice that isn't going away.

You're certainly right about the government, they could screw up a two person parade.

But we seem to regulate alcohol and tobacco fairly well. Not perfectly, kids can still get them from older kids and there is still a small market for illegal moonshine, but overall the system seems to work about as well as any revenue collection system. Although from what I read taxes drive the price of legal weed up so much, and since there is still a large illegal distribution system in place, that people still buy weed from the local dealer since it is cheaper than what the legal stores are charging - and just as good.

If marijuana is completely legalized at state and federal levels it might take a couple of years to get the bureaucratic details worked out but soon enough it would be just another age restricted commodity.

I don't keep close tabs on these things but I understand the pot business in the three states where it is legal is still a cash only affair. Because of federal prohibitions and other concerns banks won't accept accounts from legal marijuana stores. In a similar vein,as I understand it many state legislatures would pass legalization but are simply waiting to see how those bureaucratic details are handled in CO, WA and OR. That and/or a way to determine impairment in drivers during roadside stops by law enforcement.

From what I can see in these discussions, most aversion to pot is simply cultural; pot = dirty hippy commie homos while alcohol = something me and my good buddies do to have some harmless fun. I can see that attitude changing as people realize pot is just another intoxicant, different from alcohol in its effects but overall not the killer weed and destroyer of youth that the authorities (those oh so trusted government sources again) told us it was.


The times they are a'changin...

Of course I understand. My posts have nothing to do with morality, but one of practicality. IDGAF what anybody does, but WHY open the door to other drugs? Instead, REMOVE alcoholism as a disease because IT ISN'T and make killing someone if you drive drunk a capital offense. Same for nicotine. If it was a REAL drug, smokers would be killing people for a smoke like heroin addicts do. I smoked, forty years ago, decided to quit one day and that was it.

Fine ceegars are still tobacco, junkie.

Obviously you didn't read my post regarding nicotine.

I read the part where you said you gave it up 40 years ago.
Except for the fine cigars.
There is always an exception for an addict.

You're an idiot.

So does all the gateway nonsense. About like guns kill.

Can any of you make the case for weed without a moral equivalent? Weed as an issue by itself.

Not weed = alcohol, not weed = tobacco, not prohibitition was a failure. I don't want to hear "you suck because you drink but don't want to legalize weed". I don't want to hear stoners should have unfettered access to pot just because millions drink everyday. Discuss weed on its own merits and as its own subject. You can start another thread about booze and cigs if you want and I'll happily opine on those individual issues.