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No offense taken at all. I trust your call on that one. I tried
a Master Hunter out this fall on my elk and yes I was a little disappointed with it. I thought it would have worked better. My Pendalton performed better for me. I ended up having to pull out an old wyoming razor blade to finish up the job.

Those hides are tuff!!!

Anyways, thanks a bunch for the input. I'm ready for a change in my setup.

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SU35, I've never used a CS knife, but had a little Buck folder made of brittle hard stainless that would still shave hair off my arm after gutting, skinning and cutting up a moose into packable chunks. Did a good number of elk and other critters with it also, some of them boned out. After 20 years of use I laid it down on river cobble rocks after gutting a salmon... Who could think that losing a knife would make a guy feel so bad?

Anyway, there are knives that will do an entire elk without needing any sharpening.

In a story I've told here before, a friend and I were gutting and skinning a moose, and he kept stopping to touch up the edge on his fixed blade knife with a medium fine carborundum stone. He would offer me the stone and urge me to sharpen my knife each time. I shuddered to think of touching my shaving sharp blade to that stone. Finally, near the end when I had done over 3/4 of the cutting, I paused when he expressed concern about my knife getting dull and shaved a clean patch of hair from my forearm.

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Okanagan, lol, good story.

I would pay for a knife like that.

What have you replaced the Buck with?

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I bought another Buck, the newer version of the same basic design. It is good but not as hard as the steel in the old one. I broke the tip off of the older blade using it as a screwdriver to adjust the open sight on a .22 rimfire, with not much pressure. Reshaped the tip to a point and used it for another 15 years before losing it. I sharpen these with hard Arkansas stones, an old razor hone and strop.

Would love to have an Ingram but I'd prize it too much to carry and use it like I do the Buck.

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SU35 I worked over a couple of bull elk this year with a Ingam S30V shortcut never had to touch up knife in the field. Every year I threaten to see how many animals I can get through before sharpening but I'm too much of a knife nut to not touch up or even use one single knife!


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Thanks for the report Jared,

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S30V and David Boye's Dendritic steel are the best for edge hodling of any steel I know about.
I use Boye's steel a lot.

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My Cabelas Buck 110 with S30V went through 1 antelope, 1 elk, part of another elk, 1 deer, and part of mtn goat and I still don't feel the need to sharpen it. IMO, S30V ROCKS for hunting knives.

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Cabela's has a Buck 110 in S30V? Didn't know that. Gotta have one of those!

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geez Brad, I'm starting to feel like a flatlander, you like the DH belt knife and abhor the CS Master Hunter...........

mirrors my experiences exactly, my CS MH resides at the cabin, figure if the can opener breaks and I need to bust open a can of pork and beans it'll find a use again. (grin)

The first time I handled the DH I knew I'd found a friend, the better felt than telt rings true as well.

You starting to scare me dude. (grin)


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You starting to scare me dude. (grin)


Insert Twilight Zone theme here... (grins)

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Bob,

I bought a knife from Ingram a couple of years ago as I wanted to try D2 steel. They are very reasonably priced and decently designed. I didn't get much chance to use it for the first few months. I then used it on my son's cow elk. The edge CHIPPED badly! I checked the edge on my brass rod like I check all the knife edges that I make and sure enough, a little pressure and it would chip instead of flexing.

I emailed Gene as I figured that I got a knife with a bad heat treat. He asked me to send it back. He didn't even offer to fix or replace it- he just sent me a refund! Wouldn't correspond with me any further- just called me abusive to knives!


To those of you who are hording and ogling your Ingrams- possibly as investments, great! To those of you who are actually going to use them- good luck about all they are good for is skinning. Splitting sternums and such just destroyed the edge on mine and he claimed it "tested" fine.

I used my son's $20 buck knife (made in China) on TWO bulls in one day. I split the sternum and the pelvis- knife had zero chips and was still sharp enough to finish skinning. Don't know what steel it is and if I will be able to get it sharp again but it was a bargain for $20!

I'm not an Ingram fan- now start the flames...


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Dennis, I've no doubt you had a problem with your particular Ingram and I've no doubt you've reported your experience accurately.

However, I really don't think splitting an elk's sternum with a field knife is what it's designed to do. An antelope's or deer's sternum is one thing, an elk's is another and that's where a small saw or hatchet should be employed.

I agree with Ingram... "knife abuser"! (cheesy grin)

PS, congrat's on the retirement...

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I have no intention of flaming anyone as such behaviour is a PITA, but, I do not try to split heavy bones with a thin, hard knife blade designed and built for cutting hide and meat. I have a Cold Steel Master Hunter for exactly that task, or, use my Wetterling's forged hatchet.

But, since you received a refund, I see no reason for you to complain, in Gene's place, that is the proper thing to do, IMO. Your "Buck" knife sounds like a keeper, I had four different ones in 1968-'70, ALL of them failed under normal, careful use as anything can. I did NOT receive a refund and have not used Buck from that time 'til this, go figure.

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The saw on my swiss army knife will split the sternum on an Elk toot sweet. Great little tool that thing is.

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As everyone has touched on a couple of brands there seems to be a lack of consistency over the years.

My Dad swears by Gerber but I swear at Gerber cause it seems the blades are a bit soft for me. Cold Steel has been the most inconsistent by far. I picked up a Master hunter in Carbon V when it first came out and am very pleased with it, a bit thicker than I like but stayed sharp for a long time. A Trailmaster purchased a while later is also awesome. I later recommended them to a friend and his CS are complete crap. They are still listed as Carbon V but the edge holding is not even close to my earlier production models. I sharpened both master hunters on an edgepro and got them as consistent as possible. My was still slicing up pigs long after he was cussing.

I have not been able to save my nickels and dimes for an Ingram yet and have been sidetracked making my own knives from blanks. I recently picked up a Helle blank that claims 54rc on the spine and 63rc on the edge. It came with a factory grind sharper than anything I have ever handled. Im finishing out a matching pair with some Ipe wood now. Ill post when Im done.


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Helle would be the one type of steel I wouldn't want to try to get right from blank.

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Curious as to the cost of an Ingram.

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My set, ordered last summer, delivered this week, cost $360.00 USD mailed to Vancouver, BC and I consider this very reasonable, considering the quality.

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