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I care too. Which is why I have to refute misinformation when I see it. Do you really think you're talking to a moron here?
Wow! Here's a quote for the ages... Says the idiot who thinks the Colt SAA was designed in 1871.  Get a doll and point on it where the bad man touched you when you were a kid.
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Here's a condensation of Hodgdon data, using bullets that are reasonably comparable. Whether the bullets are jacketed or cast is denoted by a J or C after the weight, since they have slightly different pressure characteristics:
.44 Magnum, 8.275” barrel:
240J 1582 36,200
270J 1439 38,300
300J 1325 38,300
325C 1368 38,100
330C 1350 38,800
355C 1247 37,900
Average pressure 37,933
.45 Colt, 7.5” barrel:
240J 1532 30,000
260J 1374 30,000
300J 1203 29,800
325C 1266 27,400
335C 1240 28,000
360C 1167 29,800
Average pressure 29,167
Please note the .44 Magnum's test barrel is longer than the .45 Colt's. I don't know how much effect this has, but it has some.
I tend to trust Hodgdon's data far more than many other sources, because its taken with really professional equipment, by real professionals.
And the numbers I posted are from chronographing the same loads from two identical guns.
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I care too. Which is why I have to refute misinformation when I see it. Do you really think you're talking to a moron here?
Wow! Here's a quote for the ages... Says the idiot who thinks the Colt SAA was designed in 1871. Get a doll and point on it where the bad man touched you when you were a kid. Do you two short bus imbeciles not see that there is an actual adult conversation going on here???
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Here's a condensation of Hodgdon data, using bullets that are reasonably comparable. Whether the bullets are jacketed or cast is denoted by a J or C after the weight, since they have slightly different pressure characteristics:
.44 Magnum, 8.275” barrel:
240J 1582 36,200
270J 1439 38,300
300J 1325 38,300
325C 1368 38,100
330C 1350 38,800
355C 1247 37,900
Average pressure 37,933
.45 Colt, 7.5” barrel:
240J 1532 30,000
260J 1374 30,000
300J 1203 29,800
325C 1266 27,400
335C 1240 28,000
360C 1167 29,800
Average pressure 29,167
Please note the .44 Magnum's test barrel is longer than the .45 Colt's. I don't know how much effect this has, but it has some.
I tend to trust Hodgdon's data far more than many other sources, because its taken with really professional equipment, by real professionals.
And the numbers I posted are from chronographing the same loads from two identical guns. Pressure is still lower in 45, the guns are not indenticle.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Here's a condensation of Hodgdon data, using bullets that are reasonably comparable. Whether the bullets are jacketed or cast is denoted by a J or C after the weight, since they have slightly different pressure characteristics:
.44 Magnum, 8.275” barrel:
240J 1582 36,200
270J 1439 38,300
300J 1325 38,300
325C 1368 38,100
330C 1350 38,800
355C 1247 37,900
Average pressure 37,933
.45 Colt, 7.5” barrel:
240J 1532 30,000
260J 1374 30,000
300J 1203 29,800
325C 1266 27,400
335C 1240 28,000
360C 1167 29,800
Average pressure 29,167
Please note the .44 Magnum's test barrel is longer than the .45 Colt's. I don't know how much effect this has, but it has some.
I tend to trust Hodgdon's data far more than many other sources, because its taken with really professional equipment, by real professionals.
Good data. This sows exactly what we have been saying. Thanks Average pressure is 8,766 psi lower in 45 colt. 45
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I care too. Which is why I have to refute misinformation when I see it. Do you really think you're talking to a moron here?
Wow! Here's a quote for the ages... Says the idiot who thinks the Colt SAA was designed in 1871. Get a doll and point on it where the bad man touched you when you were a kid. Do you two short bus imbeciles not see that there is an actual adult conversation going on here??? Perhaps, but I ain't never fu(ked a guy out of his money over the 'promise' of a holster, or anything for that matter. Which really is the thing, regardless if you are right or not, I don't care. You are a piece of sheit, simple as that. If you don't believe me, ask your mom.
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Perhaps, but I ain't never fu(ked a guy out of his money over the 'promise' of a holster, or anything for that matter.
Which really is the thing, regardless if you are right or not, I don't care. You are a piece of sheit, simple as that. If you don't believe me, ask your mom. Nor have I. Now can you take the schoolyard insults elsewhere?
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Pressure is still lower in 45, the guns are not indenticle. Nobody EVER said the pressure wasn't lower. WTF are you talking about??? The guns are identical. Or do you somehow know better than the guy who owns them?
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CraigC,
Would love to know where you found recent Hodgdon data with the identical loads in identical guns.
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I didn't. I tested them in identical guns.
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The guns may be other same make and barrel length, but no way in hell are they identical.
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And how do you figure that?
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Simple, 2 different revolvers in different calibers cannot be indenticle, jeez
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So you're just being a troll now?
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So you're just being a troll now? Now but you are being extremely obtuse. I have 2 S&W M29-2's bother with 6 1/2" barrel and on the same day with the same Ammo one is 50 to 80 FPS (depending on load) is faster than the other one Simular E are alike, but not identical especially when they are not the same caliber plus the fact your data pales in comparison to hogdons because you have zero pressure data. You have not discovered any new truths, you just show a lack of understanding
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You two are missing each other on this point. The pressure data John Barsness posted features revolvers with different barrel lengths.
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As I pointed out.
The big problem, however, is that CraigC apparently has little knowledge of the basics of interior ballistics. Combined with an obsessive need to "prove" the .44 Magnum is the only suitable heavy revolver cartridge on earth, this results in some interesting mental gymnastics.
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As I pointed out.
The big problem, however, is that CraigC apparently has little knowledge of the basics of interior ballistics. Combined with an obsessive need to "prove" the .44 Magnum is the only suitable heavy revolver cartridge on earth, this results in some interesting mental gymnastics. Mental is the correct word...
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We need 4ager in here to makes things really awesome.
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We need 4ager in here to makes things really awesome.
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