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King of the 2 Miles shoot at Whittington a month ago.


Mitchell Fitzpatrick and his spotter Paul Phillips won KING trophy with a score of 65k. Mitchell used his
impressive .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets. He built
this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel, Nightforce ATACR MOA scope,
Phoenix Precision Bipod and a Lethal Precision Arms muzzle brake. Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and
second-shot hits at the 2477-yard target, a full 1.4 miles away.

The performance of Mitchell Fitzpatrick’s .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle with a prototype
400 grain Berger Bullets solid was superb, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps). ” Berger’s new
prototype .375-cal 400gr projectile around 2850 [that] we have been developing gave us a monumental ballistic advantage. [It was] without a doubt, a key to our success"
With any extreme shooting, it is equipment and cartridge as well as skill and this
performance helped Mitch win the match.

Mitchell gave credit to his team-mates: “We had the best ballistic solutions possible thanks to the work done at
Applied Ballistics LLC by the one and only Bryan Litz. Bryan is also a world-class wind coach and world champion
shooter, and just an all-around class act. Paul was also invaluable to making the wind calls we needed to win this match.”

Bryan got second place and Paul got 4th, both using Bryan's 338. There were a lot of shooters
even some with 50 BMGs and big heavy guns.






Mitch is a here in Central Michigan, a few miles away, and he built his wildcat 375 Lethal using our
585 HE brass. Made it full length, it is big one on the right in picture..
He used the Lawton Action we had here. Ed

Doc Beech was over a couple weeks ago and filled me in on the match. Incredible shooting with top notch equipment. What are the specs on the brass, Ed. Length and diameter at the rim?

The cases after necking to 375 are 3.3" long

Belt and rim on ones he has is .654"...

Also guy in Alaska who did 375 Warlord has same rim

and belt and Warlord case is about same length..

I Also have many more cases with .654" belt and .540" rim.

These are the second and later runs in large numbers.

Nominal Base size ahead of the belt is .634"...Ed

It appears to be a great LR cartridge, Ed.

Yes we get lot more guys into making these from our

case, whether the Lethal, Warlord or other, the 2 mile

contests will take off. Maybe demand so big would have a

run of completed cases at the factory like

they did our 585. The Warlord guy would do that if he

had the money. He wants his out in the public domain.

If I win lottery I'd get a 200,000 made,

And a million of my 585s, and twist Rugers arm to

Make #1s and big 77s for it...Nice to dream... Ed

Yup!

For a sense of scale, what are the other cases shown in the photo?

Left 338 Lapua, center 375 Cheytac.,Ed

You had me right up the the ruger part. LOL

Well we've put the 585HE in #1s and 77s.

Work great. But I'd also try to get others

like CZ and many others we've used, to do it.


As for 375s from our case, for extreme range the singleshot

Lawtons and Stillers and similiar are the best

I just took Mitch over two boxes of cases, as he is

building a bunch of the long range gun packages for guys.

Some on their actions and other actions..Ed

Ah, ya don't realize I"m a ruger hater. LOL.

I love #1s. Have one that was given to me. I try not to spend money with them if I can avoid it.

And after their fiasco with the 77s and palma rifles where almost none of the 77s given to the team were worth a flip, well there are better actions.

I'm impressed with 2 mile shoots. That would have been as much or more fun than service rifle out to 1000 with irons was for us! I suspect.

I enjoy reading these threads for sure!

Thanks, Jeff

Impressive! The 375 has taken over as the ultra long range King

Ed, Do you know what the .375's are using for twist? Also, that looks like a 30"+ barrel. Must be using some sllooowww powder.

Ed

Ed, go to the winner's website. It says they use H50BMG, RL50, or WC872. Up to 350 grn bullets they use a 9 twist. I believe the winner used the 400grn Berger experimental bullets. The brass has a 190grain capacity.

http://www.lethalprecisionarms.com/indefinita.html

Thanks, Butch.

Ed

Some info about target 375 wildcats made from 585 HE ,

both about same power, And,the guy in Alaska with the 375 Warlord version, has

released it to public domain, he and I will have formed 375 Warlord cases, in a few weeks.

He has also released the reamer to the public,being made by JGS, so anyone wanting to do

a super ELR rifle, maybe get you a reamer ''now' on first reamer run at JGS,

so maybe you can get a gun done this winter, with reamer in hand. Then

go try the two mile contests next year..Ed

I'm doing warlord test gun to find bestt speed with best powder

to get it, gun almost ready reamer here next week.Ed

The cartridge has changed, it is now the 375 HE. And it is little different than other

two long 375s, about same or more capacity. They couldn't make enough cases so our

guys are making them. Made improvements based on research, and cases are getting done.

Reamer print is ready and getting at makers, it is at Manson reamers already, and

the 375 HE case is public domain, anybody can make reamers, dies, do your own necking, etc. Worldwide.

We are testing for best powders and speeds . Ed

How we size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no monster dies needed
A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
pass on to the next guy, those reamers can make a pile of dies.

I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck, IE
the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.

So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread,
reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up, Start
bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
bushing, that can be made from many items.

These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies.
Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

OVER 900 375HE cases behind presses getting done. About 600 on another bench
nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide..Ed

Shooting at 2miles the bullets are dropping from the sky so making adjustments is a bear.

Just say'n.

I'd guesstimate they are dropping about 3.5-4.0" per yard at two miles.

Based on MV 3000 fps, .56 G7, 70F, 8000ft el approx. 21.5 Hg. (Whittington Center in July).

That's a looooong ways. 7-8 seconds TOF?

We are just getting started, tested 300 gr flat base so far, with
200gr ball,will test for speed in increasing weights , up to 400 gr;
Got the 300 gr way over 3800 with longer freebore than what guys
are doing with CEBs, Allows more powder. less pressure problems,
Here is pic of extra old barrel we use checking a dozen freebore fits,
using throater to ream freebore in stages,






Those 600 cases behind being necked to 375HE, just
need deburring and 2 passes and they are done.Ed

Here is the neck swage die setup, group using couple like this now.

A threaded die we put sleeve in to fit case, its top is threaded 7/8 x 14.

Bullet seating stems with these dies is same thread and we had a bunch.

They have 30 degree taper in them with hole, we redrill/reamed hole sizes

.020" increments, for last 5 stages, First sets are just 7/8 x 14 die parts with

30 degree chamfer we put on 6 of them. Matches case shoulder taper.

We have 6 more of big threaded dies if some want to get one to sleeve and

make neck swage, CH4 got those top stems to rework.

Most wildcatters got die parts to rework,Ed

Test of 375 HE, 340 gr loadedd out in

long freebore going 3700,

On the case print the length from

base to shoulder revised to 2.840".. Ed

About the case print revision, and reamer revision..

About the hydraulic forming die setup we made, for 375 HE,

Saves a lot of time and powder, and gets them to chamber size.

The cases we and others necked to 375 had kind of what is called

small love handles or donut, at the shoulder. If we tried holding it

all in at the shoulder, case too thick there when looked at

by sectioning case . Even when we sectioned them to check

after firing, But doing them in the hydraulic die, which is adjustable,

with debth changes in the die, we was able to get shoulder looking right, by stretching

out the donut, and shoulder forward, gained .020" length to shoulder, so

made our test gun chamber longer to match, leaving belt step in same place,

from base to shoulder to match, after firing, were better at the shoulder when sectioned,

IE looked better on the inside of case sides to shoulder corner,

and that is how we got the revision for reamer figured out best.

Then got all reamer prints at Manson, PTG, JGS, to match.

Case forming easier, proportions better, little more volume.

Our hydro die, we made adjustable base, made things lot easier.

In essence an adjustable chamber.. Ed

Got guys getting excited including family,on 416, so making up 416 cases for

it already and doing final 416 HE, reamer print, have an action ready ,

already have a 416 test barrel here to check it in, when they put it in the

action in few days, and will be load and speed testing when cold spell breaks.


Please check this out, a new real long range shoot planned for

this summer in South Texas. Ed



https://www.facebook.com/Worlds-Longest-Shot-Challenge-646715345535539/

After bunch of 416 HEs done will do some 408 HEs for guys, will have hydro die also to get accurate specs and have them at reamer makers. 416 HE 202 gr. capacity..Getting interesting reaming out CTs..Ed Hubel

Here is picture, couple of our 375HE cases with a little 378 WEA

on the left, our first cases middle has 330gr, other is 400 gr,Ed

A picture of our 375 HE hydro die.

We use it on lathe bed, we give rod a dozen hits.

Base is adjustable, which great aid in getting best case results. Ed..

Picture of the 416 HE target case, these run through

the hydro-die, test gun done, testing soon, to confirm specs.Ed

Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases
necked, 2 on left, and then formed in hydro die... Ed

Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left.
Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, ac long one pictured.
Holds 280 gr ball powder under bullet. The
3.6" case can hold about 250gr under bullet.. In picture,
1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 He, 4th 378 WEA.

416 HSM will get 400gr to 4000 without needing BMG action,
470 gr 3700, it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416..
Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel
to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and be under 50 lbs. Ed

Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE
He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, ,
Going to do more cases for these 2 sizes, Ed
PM or email. ph 989-644-5228.. Here are specs for 416 HE.


Length 3.32", belt diameter ,655", base dia .635" ,
length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed

Our 416 HSM will have about 25gr more capacity than regular

50bmg, and as for actions if you add up the fat bolt non-bmg

actions, with .750"- .800" bolts, there are about a dozen, some priced

pretty reasonable.

For 416 HSM we can use a EU made primer I have some of, that

is tamed down a little for smoother ignition, and its cup is harder

than CCI 35s , so we can go quite high pressures. Rigging up

hydraulics on my huge press for easier case shaping.

When few cases fireformed we'll have exact specs for reamer guys.Ed

Tonopah, NV 2-Mile Match Aug 24 - 26, 2017

The Tonopah 2-mile match is official and going forward.
Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd)
Got info from LRO site,

The Course of Fire is done and appears below. Couple of main points:
ranges 1,300, 1,600, 1,900, 2,200, 2,500, 2,800, 3,100, and 3,525.
The site is virtually flat, so slope is not an issue.....50 lb. maximum for rifles

NO weight limit for gear, but you and your team need to be able to move
it up onto the line in 2 - 3 minutes.No real limit to how the rifle is supported
(front rest is ok, so are bipods and/or, tripods) so are portable shooting tables.
You are allowed to obtain a site zero the day before the match starts,
all targets are all 36" x 36"

Here is picture of 416 HSM fireformed once,
next to bmg case we make it from and as we
improve wildcatting process next few weeks
some specs may make small changes, now from
base to shoulder is 3.45", case 3.97" long. Ed..

Super cool! Is the rim on the 416 HSM turned down?

Both rim and base is smaller than bmg,

and rim is .010" smaller than base, just that

way to assist in shaping and wildcatting case.

Rim .730" and base .740" tentatively..Ed

Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original

BMG case they are formed from, on the right , to show that we still have

enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,

in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting

and forming work set up so we can do couple hundred a month.

We still have thousands of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs,,Ed

Here is comparison of our 416 target cases, 1st is 416 HE, which we have a whole bunch of.
Second is a model of what I'd have Bruce make on his medium machine, if I could, the
416 HE Long. Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting
bmg cases, If I could for target use I'd also make 375 HE longer.. Ed..

Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles using Paul
Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal Precision in
375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very similiar to 375HE )...
It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide.

I understand that there was 2-3 times as many guys wanting
to try the 2 mile shoot at Whittington than there was openings for.
So check out Tonopah, NV 2-Mile Match Aug 24 - 26, 2017
Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd).. Ed

Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards,

this weekend at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.

A great accomplishment at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge. Ed

About 2 mile military sniper shot kill of Isis soldier
in Iraq that is the latest news...

By Paul Philips, from FB...

In response to the latest amazing 2.1 mile Canadian Armed forces
sniper shot in question, A lot of my friends have been asking
if this is possible or not.

If there are any doubters out there?!

There will be many events in the USA where you can come watch 1-2 mile
shots. Visit ELR Central, FB, for more Information. The science of
accuracy and improvement of rifle components have made this possible.

Below is a photo of a 17x22 inch consecutive 3 shot group @ 2.05 miles
made with my 375 Lethal Mag. Bryan Litz on the trigger and
Emil Praslick on the wind.

In the other photo, these 3 impacts were made by fellow team mates
Mitchell Fitzpatrick, Derek Rodgers and Bryan Litz. Emil Praslick
and Paul Phillips on the wind. All three impacts were made with only
3 rounds each. So within 3 rounds for three shooters in a row we were
able to make impacts on a 36 inch plate (1 moa) at 2 miles or 3613 yards.

The purpose behind our research is to help improve technology
and increase our hit % at extreme ranges. This will help save
lives and bring our troops home safely.

Semper - Fi !!

Picture of Paul's Gun. Mitch also holding it with him.
Mitch was last years 2 mile shoot winnerm and Mitch's shop
built Paul's big gun..Ed

Getting close at that range on a human is skill. Hitting is a luck factor.

The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one,

has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture,

on the right, we fired a case twice, capacity is 320gr.. Ed..

Shooters now are talking more; short, fat cases sticking, pockets not lasting as expected.
Trying to get best speeds the things raising pressures are bad case proportions, too fast of
powders, and the debth of the bullet into the powder space, as shown in the picture below..
My 375, 416, etc testing loaded like bottom one, in longer freebore....Ed.

Here is case measurements for our 416 HE target case
made from our 585 HE big belted case. Ed

Here is picture of 375 HE left, 416 HE next, 416 HSM right..




Here, tentative specs, 416 HSM case we are doing from bmg brass,





A 375 HE, with Lawton action, bunch being done with those .....

Anyone with Barnard P-Cheytac action, I need some info,

I understand it has action dia of 1.53" and 3 lug bolt,

and need the bolt diameter

And I need a picture of the bolt face...Ed

Here is a 375 HE target gun set up, by Asteroid Precision...




Here is video of it being tested... And with a 350gr bullet about 3450-3475,

bolt opened easily with one finger...And he's just getting started

and is checking on better powder, Ed...........



https://www.facebook.com/AsteroidPrecisi..._location=group

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Ed, I'm surprised you left your Russian, anti Trump blog on the Accurate Reloading political forum.

We have developed 416 and 460 HE, and the bigger 416 and 460 HSM...

With 40 inch barrel 416 HSM ,475 gr, get 3650, over 13,000 ft lbs muzzle energy.
Got guys getting set to have 38-40 inch 458 barrels made for 460 HSM.

Guy built 416 HE, 34" barrel that held nearly 1/4 min accuracy at 1800 yds, Ed.
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More info on this gun, we did it for testing 416 HSM with a rebated rim,
to check in intermediate size actions, with the longer, stronger, bolt lugs, Ed..

Here is experimental action for 416 HSM in a heavy
stock....We lengthened port a little, set bolt stop back ,
opened bolt face fit the 416 HSM rebated rim. Ed.
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Here is comparison of Montana PH to Pierce action we
modified to use for rebated rim 416 HSM testing..Ed.
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2010 yards:

https://www.tactical-life.com/news/victor-avila-record-pistol-shot/

Expected a Rem XP100 but got a 10mm Glock from standing.

Holy schidt, I bet he couldn't do that again and would admit to such.

Still really cool!

I do believe there was a bit of s hit house luck involved, but still an incredible shot/hit.

416 & 460 HE AND 416 & 460 HSM .LONG RANGE AND HUNTING
Can be set up in  Pierce  X10  ACTION for the 416 & 460 HE  
AND X20 action for the 416 & 460 HSM , Can get those
if guys need one...Ed

Here is picture of my 416 HSM test gun,... It is a big falling block we had
as a 8 bore years ago. Has a 34 inch , 1 5/8 "diameter, 1 to 10 twist barrel. .. Ed.
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So was the second shot at a different, closer target? Or was the event just poorly named?