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Dang, that's smokin'!
Given that the longest shot I've taken on a deer in the last 20 years was maybe 125 yards, my interest in pushing for more speed might be a little silly, but a boy's got to get his fun someplace. If I knew my shots were always going to be under 300 yards I would hunt specifically with my 280's and never look for more. However, I know different so I prefer the comfort of my 300 WSM when needed.
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I wonder if R26 shines in a 280AI It does. That's all I'll say since there's no published data. I am loaded up for this season with 168 Hunting VLD's and RL26 in my 280AI. Berger will send you load data. I would not start at their max. I am getting 2920 fps. and good accuracy out of a 24" barrel. Thrilled with this hunting load.
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Dang, that's smokin'!
Given that the longest shot I've taken on a deer in the last 20 years was maybe 125 yards, my interest in pushing for more speed might be a little silly, but a boy's got to get his fun someplace. If I knew my shots were always going to be under 300 yards I would hunt specifically with my 280's and never look for more. However, I know different so I prefer the comfort of my 300 WSM when needed. I am feeling comfortable on deer to at least 500y with a 280AI. Look at the numbers with a 168 VLD Berger @ 2900fps. Let me say I am comfortable with the killing potential. I would have to have perfect rest and wind conditions to be comfortable with pulling the trigger at 500y. No one ever mentions pulling a shot at long distance. I do understand that a 300wsm would have more oomph on a less than perfect shot.
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Dang, that's smokin'!
Given that the longest shot I've taken on a deer in the last 20 years was maybe 125 yards, my interest in pushing for more speed might be a little silly, but a boy's got to get his fun someplace. If I knew my shots were always going to be under 300 yards I would hunt specifically with my 280's and never look for more. However, I know different so I prefer the comfort of my 300 WSM when needed. I am feeling comfortable on deer to at least 500y with a 280AI. Look at the numbers with a 168 VLD Berger @ 2900fps. Let me say I am comfortable with the killing potential. I would have to have perfect rest and wind conditions to be comfortable with pulling the trigger at 500y. No one ever mentions pulling a shot at long distance. I do understand that a 300wsm would have more oomph on a less than perfect shot. Pull a bad shot with a 300 magnum on a buck and you are not much better off than if you do it with a 280AI or anything similar. You have problems either way. The 300 does not buy you much of anything.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Hmm.. I had hoped it would do 3100 fps in a 24" 280AI.
I have a 168 gr load with 4831sc that averages just over 3k fps now.
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Pull a bad shot with a 300 magnum on a buck and you are not much better off than if you do it with a 280AI or anything similar. You have problems either way. The 300 does not buy you much of anything.
It doesn't buy you much but more than a Mashburn Super! 
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dt: Its surprising that none of them really do. 7mm Mags not much different.
With well placed shots a 300 magnum is a vicious killer.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Hmm.. I had hoped it would do 3100 fps in a 24" 280AI.
I have a 168 gr load with 4831sc that averages just over 3k fps now.
That is smoking fast from a 24" barrel. I may have a slow barrel but do not think that I can get to 3000 fps with rl 26 much less 4821sc with the 168vld. I do find that Berger VLD bullets can be pushed faster than other bullets of similar or slightly less weight.
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Lots of RL26 at the Tanner Gun Show in Denver this weekend.
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A 8" twist and a 165 gran Matrix .277 bullet would be nice with Reloder 26 in the 270 win
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Will this powder work the same with lower grain, but same length bullets?
For instance, will it work with the Barnes 129 gr LRX (about same length as an avg. 150 gr. cup/core)? If so, would you expect higher velocity than 3200 FPS from a 24" barrel?
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I dunno, but Alliant doesn't list RL-26 data for any bullet lighter than 150 grains.
My guess, however, is that it wouldn't provide any more velocity with lighter bullets, at least in most rifles, because not enough powder could be crammed into the case. I went up to 62 grains in my rifle with 150's, which is close too all that will fit in a .270 case and still seat a 150 Partition.
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So what about the 160 grain Nosler partition?Has anyone tried this .270 win ,rl 26 combination?
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Slightly off topic but wondering if you've tried RL-26 in the 270 weatherby John?
I have some to try but haven't loaded anything up yet. I contacted Alliant for some data but haven't heard back. The standard 270 closes the gap to almost a stiff breeze with the 150s. I am hoping it will bump a little more performance out the the weatherby to still pull away from the 270 win.
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I very much doubt RL-26 is slow-burning enough to bump velocity up in the .270 Weatherby.
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Slightly off topic but wondering if you've tried RL-26 in the 270 weatherby John?
I have some to try but haven't loaded anything up yet. I contacted Alliant for some data but haven't heard back. The standard 270 closes the gap to almost a stiff breeze with the 150s. I am hoping it will bump a little more performance out the the weatherby to still pull away from the 270 win. Maybe RL-33 will work in the 270 Wby.
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Slightly off topic but wondering if you've tried RL-26 in the 270 weatherby John? I think it would certainly be worth a try as it works well in the 270 WSM and the 7RM. I would split the difference between the two for an approximate load. WSM holds 75 grains of water and the 270 WM around 83 about a 10% difference. I would not exceed 7RM charges even though the .270WM is loaded to higher pressure. With the free bore you won't see any pressure indications until you are way up there with R26.
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You'd definitely see an increase in velocity by working up loads by "pressure signs," rather than using pressure-tested data. But that would apply any powder in the same general burn-rate range, since traditional pressure indicators don't usually show up until around 70,000 PSI.
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This proves JB right again on the last two posts. Had brainlag and forgot there was published data. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reload...;type=1&powderid=40&cartridge=65Respectable velocities but nothing much above factory and some like the 150 grain which barely edges out the 270 Win. loads.
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