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Think I will stick with my 270 Win that pumps out 150 ABLR at 3,075FPS into inch or less.


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Originally Posted by Huntz
Think I will stick with my 270 Win that pumps out 150 ABLR at 3,075FPS into inch or less.


I got a 1 in 9 twist 270 Win too that should duplicate the 6.5 prc with easy to get brass. The new round has a chance to be successful though if they do it right which more often than not Hornady does unlike Winchester and Remington.......


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If I remember correctly George from Gap said that when they pickes the Saum case, the only one it was even more optimal was the RCM case.

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One of these days they are going to IMPROVE the JOC wink

Add that to the new bullets and twists, and you might have more coming full circle.

Still no flies on the 6.5s - but I am drawn to smaller cases in the smallish bores like 6.5s and under. A 55mm is about as big as I want, personally, but understand everyone's wants and needs vary. I do like short actions, but when putting a fat case in a magazine, you tend to lose the capacity of 1. Not often would it be a game changer, but it does come to my mind.

Nice to see American's finally catching on to what Europeans have known for over 100 years.....

I do welcome Hornady leading innovation like the 6mm Creedmoor, something I said long ago would be prudent, as the 22, which perhaps will be next. Even Noz is doing a new 22 cal.

Will any American mfg ever do a simple 6.5-06? Seems no fuss, no COAL issues with heaviers, etc. I know case size/length appeals to some, which surely had folks choose the 280/AI over say a 7/08.

New offerings like the accurate sensible Creedmoor, that were backed by quality ammo without a premium price, and rifles to back it, are a good thing. Time will tell what products thrive and survive, and others that do not.

Gerry, I concur, don't count on Remchester to get things right....they find a way to muck things up.

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Guess I'll have to go out and give my 260s another hug....

don't think this one either is going to upstage the 260 for we handloaders...

sure it might be a little faster.... but anyone who knows how to use their scope knobs, the little flatter shooting one of the new ones can offer, can be compensated by two clicks on your elevation adjustment...

some of us don't need a newer greater better d'jour...

heck my favorite round period is the old 6.5 x 57... on a long action...Model 70....

if limited to two larger game hunting rifles and cartridges...

they would be the 6.5 x 57 and the 6mm Rem with a one in 8 twist, on a Model 70 LA...


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GAP developed the 6.5 4S (6.5 SAUM) and has now standardized on the .120 freebore reamer. They sell Hornady brass with the 6.5 Gap 4S headstamp.

6.5 PRC is a Hornady deal, not a GAP development. I see the PRC being popular with the PRS and other shooting sports. Especially in a RPR. Wonder how many rifles Ruger will have out a year from now?


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It doesn't make the 2.8" cutoff for Rem700-based magazines. So it is slower than the 6.5 SAUM and yet needs a longer COAL to do so. A bit of an odd duck. Granted, most precision shooters are using detachable magazines, but they gained no market share by going long yet slower.

They could have simply standardized the GAP version, and been guaranteed to own the market for precision shooting.

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And the RCM case is just an Imperial Magnum case. None of that stupid belt that is a throw back to double rifles. Should have gotten rid of that across the board years ago.


Huh?

Yeah, I was going to ask if he was Savage 99 ?

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Originally Posted by Danny1788
Case Capacities
6.5 Rem Mag = 69gr
6.5-280AI = 70.5gr
6.5 SAUM = 70-72gr depends on brass used to form
300RCM = 73.5gr (might loose some capacity necking down)
6.5-270WSM = 77.8gr
264 Win Mag = 79.9gr

The reason the 6.5 Gap 4s is built off the SAUM case is because its shorter and will let you load bullets out further and not take up case capacity. With the RCM case at 2.1" your going to have issues unless you built it on an action that can handle 3.0"+ COAL.

I see the 6.5 PRC as an answer to a question no one asked. Even if it has factory ammo it doesn't make a big difference because it wont work on a Rem 700 SA, it wont feed out of most AICS Mags @ 2.88 or @ 2.95 that people use in Comps.

The 6.5 WSM looks like the pick of the litter. :-)

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Originally Posted by PreciousLiberty
The 6.5 WSM looks like the pick of the litter. :-)


Except that it is too long of a case overall to allow bullets to be seated out where they do best without having a long magazine.

The 6.5 SAUM is the best design yet at that capacity range.

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They market it for "top-loading" rifle shooters, but have Precision Rifle in the name. Like sooo many PRS guys shoot BDL 700s!

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LOL... Hornady is getting Cocky just like Nosler did.

They are trying to be the Winchester and Remington of the next 50 years.

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Would it work in the short action Ruger 300 RCM or 338 RCM rebarreled? They are discounting them pretty cheap.


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It will do pretty well.
Why? FACTORY AMMO, standard dimensions, brass everywhere.



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They just confirmed that the new PRC will be based off the 300RCM case but shortened to 2.020 or something like that. SO it will be close to the 6.5SAUM about 2-3GR less capacity but should push a 140gr at 3000fps but only using faster powders than H1000 like what the SAUM uses.

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Would be interesting in a Kimber Montana 8400 with a 3.030 magazine length?

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Originally Posted by KRAKMT
Would be interesting in a Kimber Montana 8400 with a 3.030 magazine length?


thats what i was thinking maybe rebarrel a 325wsm?

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Originally Posted by Danny1788
They just confirmed that the new PRC will be based off the 300RCM case but shortened to 2.020 or something like that. SO it will be close to the 6.5SAUM about 2-3GR less capacity but should push a 140gr at 3000fps but only using faster powders than H1000 like what the SAUM uses.


I am fond of 6.5mm/.264 hunting rifles and have used a 6.5-'06 since 19 (mumble). I also acquired a .300 RCM Hawkeye to go along with my .375 Ruger when the RCMs were introduced. I swapped some emails with Ruger and Hornady in '09 to see if they might consider a 6.5 RCM. At that time Hornady considered a 6.5 on the RCM case to be overbore, but a shorter version with "precision" in the name must be mo' bettah for them. Since I have an RCM shell holder I am already primed to reload these cartridges.

Now I am waiting to see what rifle builders chamber the cartridge, or else I will just go buy another NULA. wink

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Anyone have info on which manufacturers might be offering this? Kimber MT would be sweet, as would a MRC X2...

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Gunwerks will be chambering the 6.5PRC as well as seekin new Havok rifles.

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