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Canada thinks he's now fit [b][color:#3333FF]to walk the streets...[/color][/b], Nuggin Futz.! WINNIPEG, Manitoba — A Canadian man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading and cannibalizing a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus has been granted his freedom. Manitoba’s Criminal Code Review Board announced Friday it has given Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Li, an absolute discharge, meaning he is longer subject to monitoring. Baker, a diagnosed schizophrenic, killed Tim McLean, a young carnival worker who was a complete stranger to Baker, in 2008. A year later he was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness. McLean’s mother, Carol de Delley, has been outspoken against granting Baker freedom, saying there would be no way to ensure he continued to take his medication. She declined comment in a post on Facebook Friday, saying “I have no words.” Baker was initially kept in a secure wing of a psychiatric hospital but was given more freedom every year. He has been living on his own in a Winnipeg apartment since November, but was still subject to monitoring to ensure he took his medication. Baker’s doctor, Jeffrey Waldman, told the board earlier this week that he is confident Baker will remain on his medication and will continue to work with his treatment team if released. Waldman testified that Baker knows it’s the medication that keeps his illness at bay. In a written decision, the review board said it “is of the opinion that the weight of evidence does not substantiate that Mr. Baker poses a significant threat to the safety of the public.” Waldman said Baker plans to visit his native China if released but would live in Winnipeg for the next two to three years. He is on the waiting list for a post-secondary training program and plans on establishing a career in the city. Baker emigrated to Canada from China in 2001 and became a Canadian citizen four years ago. Baker sat next to the 22-year-old McLean on the bus after the man smiled at him and asked how he was doing. Baker said he heard the voice of God telling him to kill the man or “die immediately.” He repeatedly stabbed McLean while he fought for his life. As passengers fled the bus, Baker continued stabbing and mutilating the body before he was arrested. He severed McLean’s head, displaying it to some of the passengers outside the bus, witnesses said. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 1999 that a review board must order an absolute discharge if a person doesn’t pose a significant threat to public safety. The ruling added there must be clear evidence of a significant risk to the public for the review board to continue imposing conditions after a person is found not criminally responsible. Opposition Conservative member of Parliament James Bezan also criticized Baker’s release. He said earlier in the week it would be an insult to de Delley and McLean’s other relatives. Baker’s defenders include Chris Summerville, executive director of the Manitoba Schizophrenia Society, who has met and worked with him over the years. “He is no longer a violent person,” Summerville said. “I will say, yes, he absolutely understands that he has to (take his medication) and has a desire to live a responsible, moral life and never succumb to psychotic episodes and not to hurt anybody ever again.”
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European craziness comes to North America.
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This is a Provincial legal ruling, not a federal matter. The case and what you have reported has caused a great deal of apprehension in some sectors of the Manitoba public for quite some time.
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This is a Provincial legal ruling, not a federal matter. The case and what you have reported has caused a great deal of apprehension in some sectors of the Manitoba public for quite some time. This sounds more like a national issue: The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 1999 that a review board must order an absolute discharge if a person doesn’t pose a significant threat to public safety. How can any schizophrenic who's committed a heinous murder like that not pose a threat to the public? He could snap again at any time.
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AW, c'mon,....quit acting like such a hard case, all the guy did was listen to his inner self, and follow his instincts....
Maybe Canuck 378 will take him in as a boarder or house guest ?
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Baker plans to visit his native China if released but would live in Winnipeg for the next two to three years. He is on the waiting list for a post-secondary training program and plans on establishing a career in the city. Baker emigrated to Canada from China in 2001 and became a Canadian citizen four years ago. Yup, "Diversity" at it's very BEST. I hear that, Like H. Lector, he LOVES working in the kitchen, and has sworn off his previous raw food kick. GTC
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$0.25 solution for that problem....
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[quote=Rooney] How can any schizophrenic who's committed a heinous murder like that not pose a threat to the public? He could snap again at any time. He is a Canadian schizophrenic, they are much different than American schizophrenics.
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He is on the waiting list for a post-secondary training program and plans on establishing a career in the city. He needs to enroll in the Alferd Packer School of Exotic Cuisine
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schizophrenics will always stop taking their meds if not supervised.
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Pork, actually...
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schizophrenics will always stop taking their meds if not supervised. Not this time. He promised.
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Pork, actually... Doesn't that depend on size?
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I had a cousin who was a schizo. She had no tendency to violence at and was pretty much on her own for years. Judging by her actions, there's no way that this guy will take his meds on his own. They're that way for a reason - their heads don't work right and staying on pills isn't part of their operation.
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Will Baker should be put down like a rabid dog. Interestingly, the RCMP went out of their way to preserve the life of Li as he mutilated the body of his victim. They changed their approach later though and when a mentally disturbed man was rampaging around on an empty bus while waving a knife, threatening no one, they shot him dead. GD
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Will Baker should be put down like a rabid dog. Interestingly, the RCMP went out of their way to preserve the life of Li as he mutilated the body of his victim. They changed their approach later though and when a mentally disturbed man was rampaging around on an empty bus while waving a knife, threatening no one, they shot him dead. GD "They" in the above suggests it was the RCMP who shot a man dead. In fact the latter shooting was done by a Metro Toronto police officer who, incidentally, was later convicted of second degree murder (I think). This was a disturbing case if you happened to read all of the details and saw the video of the shooting. Actually it occurred on a street car not a bus. Jim
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This is a Provincial legal ruling, not a federal matter. The case and what you have reported has caused a great deal of apprehension in some sectors of the Manitoba public for quite some time. Oh, that makes it much better then.....
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