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Working on a new varmit barrel 308 win. in 700 Remington 1 in 12 twist. I had one of these guns 15 to 20 years ago never could get it to shoot. i felt the twist was to slow because standard barrel hunting rifles had 1 in 10 twist. I messed around and got rid of a beautiful rifle. Now Remington still making this lazy twist so it must have been my gun. My question is what bullet weight do you guys shoot with this twist?

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I like 150gr bullets in my 308.46.5grs of Varget gives me 2900fps and it shoots a lot flatter at 200yds than my 165gr load of 45.5grs of Varget @ 2700fps.


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I think MontanaMarine had luck with bullets from 110gr - 208gr in his 20" barrled 308 Win with a 1/12 twist. The 155 Scenar gets much love as a good all around bullet.


His 208 data: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3250787/308Win_208_AMax_RL17


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Thanks Baldhunter i tried all of 165,150, 125,110 ballistic tip and sierra bullets lot of driffrent power charges nothing would help that old REMINGTON sone times you get a dog.

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I've had great luck with 155gr Scenar's and 45.5 grains of Varget...

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155 Scenars are the standard in my wife's .308 but I am seeing promises with the 175 eld so will continue working on it.

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I like 125 gr Nos Bal tips in 308 Win and 300 WinMag.


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I use a 7 mag for any elk hunting, so I am talking deer bullets primarily. I have two .308s that are 1/2 moa with Hornady Interlocks at 2900 fps. I use CFE223 powder.


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Whichever one shoots best...

I've got a 1/12 that loves 165-168 gr. Bullets. No makey no sense, but it shooots them a ton better than the 150-155 grainers.

It has a short tube on it, so I wish it liked the lighter bullets better so I could get the velocity up, but it is what it is...

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You'll need a jump tolerant bullet since Linda Lovelace is still doing the throating at Remington. 155 Hybrids shoot well in my Tikka jumping a mile, I'd try them.

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Originally Posted by jsthntn247
You'll need a jump tolerant bullet since Linda Lovelace is still doing the throating at Remington. 155 Hybrids shoot well in my Tikka jumping a mile, I'd try them.
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Originally Posted by Mjduct
Whichever one shoots best...

I've got a 1/12 that loves 165-168 gr. Bullets. No makey no sense, but it shooots them a ton better than the 150-155 grainers.

It has a short tube on it, so I wish it liked the lighter bullets better so I could get the velocity up, but it is what it is...

actually, as i understand it, the 1-12" is ideal for 168 SMKs. my 700P prefers them as well and it's a 1-12.


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Originally Posted by Mjduct
I've got a 1/12 that loves 165-168 gr. Bullets. No makey no sense, but it shooots them a ton better than the 150-155 grainers.


That doesn't have anything to do with the twist per se.

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165 Hornady Interlock!

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Curious, how much worse will a 10 ROT shoot than 12, in 130-165? Or is it more on throating?

Secondly, on that comment that the 150 shoots "A lot flatter at 200 yds" - I thought most hunters zero POI/POA for 200? JS

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Originally Posted by 65BR
Curious, how much worse will a 10 ROT shoot than 12, in 130-165? Or is it more on throating?

Secondly, on that comment that the 150 shoots "A lot flatter at 200 yds" - I thought most hunters zero POI/POA for 200? JS


Honestly, some of the texas hill country I hunt has a mean range of about 75 yards with a rare max of 150-200. Most of the time I sight in either right on, or 1-3" high at 100 depending on the caliber.

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Whichever one shoots best...

I've got a 1/12 that loves 165-168 gr. Bullets. No makey no sense, but it shooots them a ton better than the 150-155 grainers.

It has a short tube on it, so I wish it liked the lighter bullets better so I could get the velocity up, but it is what it is...

actually, as i understand it, the 1-12" is ideal for 168 SMKs. my 700P prefers them as well and it's a 1-12.


I honestly don't think there is a .308 that won't shoot the 168 matchkings or Federal Gold Medal Match loaded with them. I had a 700LTR that loved them, as do both my kimbers.

But my understanding is that the 1-12" was designed to stabilize the 150 class bulllets and the 168-170 were getting close to the end of its ability to stabilize. None the less I have a few cases of 168gr. FGMM and they work, even in a buddies 1-14" tube... never tried them on game, but they go where you want them to...

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Originally Posted by Mjduct

I honestly don't think there is a .308 that won't shoot the 168 matchkings or Federal Gold Medal Match loaded with them. I had a 700LTR that loved them, as do both my kimbers.

But my understanding is that the 1-12" was designed to stabilize the 150 class bulllets and the 168-170 were getting close to the end of its ability to stabilize. None the less I have a few cases of 168gr. FGMM and they work, even in a buddies 1-14" tube... never tried them on game, but they go where you want them to...


The sierra 168 was designed for 300m shooting and if you go past 900 yards you routinely will see them key holing thru the target. Up to that distance they are pretty good. They have a very short bearing surface and just do not keep stable after 900. I have watched too many key hole thru the target. If you are going to 1000 plus with a 308, then the 183-185 or 200 hybrid bullets are much better in the 308

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Is that a design issue, or is it due to them going subsonic? Don't most bullets lose stability when they pass through the transonic barrier???

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I had a DBM SS 700 years ago NIB that I never fired, it was a 10 ROT whereas the HB models had a 12. I found that interesting.

FWIW, I've never "Over-Twisted" anything, run 8t 6BRs with 66-105 and shot 1/4 to 1/2" 200yd groups for 3 time and again.

MM - are you there? You shoot heavies, likely in the 10t, have you run any 130s thru the same bbls? Thanks.

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