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Originally Posted by barm
Originally Posted by Seafire
anyone interested in 243 reduced load data?


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here ya got Gentlemen:

Blue Dot Range Report; 243 Winchester

Rifle Used: Winchester Varmint

Barrel Length: 26 inches

Case Used: Remington New

Primer: Fed 210

Max: Capacity: 41.0 grains

Capacity Tested: 8 ( 20%) to 24 grains ( 60%)

1. Bullet : 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip OAL: 67.50 mm

8 grs: 1785 fps 13 grs: 2381 fps 18 grs: 2979 fps
9 grs: 1927 fps 14 grs: 2525 fps 19 grs: 3078 fps
10 grs: 2096 fps 15 grs: 2633 fps 20 grs: 3182 fps
11 grs: 2128 fps 16 grs: 2750 fps 21 grs: 3285 fps
12 grs: 2241 fps 17 grs: 2898 fps 22 grs: 3342 fps

23 grs: 3471 fps 24 grs: 3555 fps

Max Is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.


2. Bullet: 60 grain Sierra Hollow Point OAL; 67.50 mm

8grs: 1675 fps 14grs: 2404 fps 20grs: 3047 fps
9grs: 1779 fps 15grs: 2526 fps 21grs: 3159 fps
10grs: 1869 fps 16grs: 2591 fps 22grs: 3227 fps
11 grs: 2018 fps 17grs: 2718 fps
12grs: 2167 fps 18grs: 2809 fps 23grs: 3286 fps
13 grs: 2305 fps 19grs: 2961 fps

Max is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.

3. Bullet: 75 grain Hornady Hollow Point; OAL: 69.50 mm

8 grs: 1279 fps 13 grs: 2082 fps 18grs: 2604 fps
9grs: 1639 fps 14 grs: 2211 fps 19grs: 2704 fps
10grs: 1755 fps 15grs: 2280 fps 20grs: 2761 fps
11grs: 1882 fps 16grs: 2424 fps 21grs: 2798 fps
12grs: 1989 fps 17grs: 2499 fps 22grs: 2958 fps

75 grain Hornady Continued

23 grs: 3016 fps

Max is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.



3. Bullet: 80 grain Winchester SP: OAL: 69.50 mm

8grs: 1340 fps 14grs: 2159 fps 20grs: 2725 fps
9grs: 1578 fps 15grs: 2265 fps 21grs: 2811 fps
10grs: 1696 fps 16grs: 2298 fps 22grs: 2826 fps
11grs: 1894 fps 17grs: 2462 fps 23grs: 2928 fps
12grs: 1928 fps 18grs: 2552 fps
13grs: 2069 fps 19grs: 2665 fps

Max is recommended at 21 grains for reliable brass life


4. Bullet: 87 grain Hornady SP: OAL: 69.60 mm

8grs: 1057 fps 14grs: 2026 fps 20grs: 2580 fps
9grs: 1434 fps 15grs: 2108 fps 21grs: 2652 fps
10grs: 1558 fps 16grs: 2226 fps 22grs: 2741 fps
11grs: 1683 fps 17grs: 2323 fps 23grs: 2782 fps
12grs: 1806 fps 18grs: 2415 fps
13grs: 1898 fps 19grs: 2487 fps

Max is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.
















5. Bullet: 95 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip: OAL: 70.50mm

10grs: 1520 fps 15grs: 2080 fps 20grs: 2514 fps
11grs: 1648 fps 16grs: 2159 fps 21grs: 2601 fps
12grs: 1757 fps 17grs: 2250 fps 22grs: 2693 fps
13grs: 1868 fps 18grs: 2295 fps 23grs: 2740 fps
14grs: 1974 fps 19grs: 2420 fps

Max is recommend at 22 grains for reliable brass life.



6. Bullet: 100 grain Hornady SP; OAL: 69.25 mm

11grs: 1575 fps 16grs: 2113 fps 21grs: 2512 fps
12grs: 1724 fps 17grs: 2207 fps 22grs: 2581 fps
13grs: 1828 fps 18grs: 2299 fps
14grs: 1927 fps 19grs: 2365 fps
15grs: 2019 fps 20grs: 2438 fps

Max is recommended at 21 grains for reliable brass life.


7. Bullet: 105 grain Speer SP; OAL: 70.50 mm

10grs: 1270 fps 16grs: 2050 fps 22grs: 2561 fps
11grs: 1521 fps 17grs: 2142 fps
12grs: 1668 fps 18grs: 2239 fps
13grs: 1757 fps 19grs; 2311 fps
14grs: 1837 fps 20grs: 2412 fps
15grs: 1928 fps 21grs: 2483 fps

Max is recommended at 22 grains for reliable brass life.













Conclusions:

1. I consider the 243 much more versatile for a first rifle using these loads than starting a younger shooter out on a 223 or 22/250. It will duplicate the other two rounds, plus has the ability to handle a heavier bullet while still giving mild recoil characteristics.
2. The 243 offers a wide variety of bullets from 55 grain to 105 grain for hunting, and even 107 and 115 grain bullets for long range target shooting and competition.
3. Some bullets that are lighter than other bullets reach max pressure signs at lower powder charges, than a few heavier bullets. This is caused by the load bearing surface of the bullet.

Observations:

1. Contrary to what is usually seen, or expected: In using trees about 8 inches in diameter as backstops, I noticed that in the 2200 to 2800 fps range, most of the varmint bullets were actually penetrating thru the trees completely. Since they are suppose to be fragile for varmint applications, I did not expect to see this. However It was observed in the 55 grain Ballistic Tip, the 60 grain Sierra Hollow Point and the 75 grain Hornady Hollow Point.
2. Therefore it is my PERSONAL conclusion that these bullets might be considered as potential bullets on deer sized game in parts of the country where deer only get to be Antelope sized animals.
3. If this is done, the results are strictly the responsibility of the handloader and shooter. IN the 2200 to 2800 fps range, the rear core is staying intact and not exploding like is advertised a varmint bullet should do. Over this speed the bullet is performing in the explosive manner as designed.
4. I got input from other shooters on an internet forum asking about their experience with this bullet, there were some successes, some failures, and many recommendations for a larger bullet. However, if someone desires to use these varmint style bullets, I advise testing them yourself and analyse your results before deciding to use them.

As always, work your loads up from a point long before listed maximum.

I hope that this information is useful in teaching new and young shooters how to shoot properly and safely. Recoil will be substantially less than typical factory loads. This should assist in accurate shot placement by the shooter.

Cheers and Good shooting
Seafire, May 2004


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Thank you, Seafire.

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Thank you, Seafire
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my pleasure gentlemen.....

use proper loading technique to not accidentally doing a double charge....

I'm probably going to do a follow up with using IMR 4198 in the 243.... once the weather cooperates...

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I used Seafire 223 blue dot loads and they work very well. Trail Boss is more accurate out of my rifle and I have 12 cans of Trail Boss so I'll use that till I run out of it. But its good to have something to fall back on when I do run out. Blue Dot shoots around 3/4" @ 100 yards where Trail Boss will hold around 3/8" group. With 8.0grs of Trail Boss and sighted in @ 50 yards it prints 2" low @ 100 with a Sierra 55gr HPBT GameKing bullet out of a Savage Axis with a chopped off 18" barrel. Don't know the fps, as this is my squirrel rifle and dont really care.

Going to try Trail Boss and Blue Dot in a 243 this week, have a very good supply of Sierra 85gr HPBT

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Originally Posted by NcWhitetail
Yes I'm interested in reduced .243 load data.
Thanks so much.
Don

As a another option , I use 12.5 grs. of unique with 55 gr Nosler shots bullets for a reduced load in .243. It Gives about 2500 fps and is the most accurate load in my rifle. I used it to shot some pd's out to 250 yds yesterday.

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Originally Posted by wyoming260
Originally Posted by NcWhitetail
Yes I'm interested in reduced .243 load data.
Thanks so much.
Don

As a another option , I use 12.5 grs. of unique with 55 gr Nosler shots bullets for a reduced load in .243. It Gives about 2500 fps and is the most accurate load in my rifle. I used it to shot some pd's out to 250 yds yesterday.


It's crazy how accurate reduce loads are.

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I've played with Unique some....but haven't seen any, in like since shortly after the Afro Ghetto Wonder because our HSIC....

its got versatility also...Have loaded it for kids.. most notable, is 22 grains of Unique with a 150 grain bullet in a 300 Win Mag, will turn it into a 30/30 clone.. right at 2000 fps...

got that one out of a Lyman Cast Bullet manual...

I'll have to try that 12.5 grains in a 243 load...

I love playing with this stuff, as it is fun and also allows a lot of trigger time, without wearing out your rifle barrel...helps ya being a much better shooter come deer season.. especially if the shooter has been volume shooting at small varmints...

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Originally Posted by Seafire
I've played with Unique some....but haven't seen any, in like since shortly after the Afro Ghetto Wonder because our HSIC....

its got versatility also...Have loaded it for kids.. most notable, is 22 grains of Unique with a 150 grain bullet in a 300 Win Mag, will turn it into a 30/30 clone.. right at 2000 fps...

got that one out of a Lyman Cast Bullet manual...

I'll have to try that 12.5 grains in a 243 load...

I love playing with this stuff, as it is fun and also allows a lot of trigger time, without wearing out your rifle barrel...helps ya being a much better shooter come deer season.. especially if the shooter has been volume shooting at small varmints...

Funny you should mention the .300 win mag, I was also shooting some 36 gr Barnes varmint Grenades in Eabco sabots with 25 gr of unique behind them this weekend. The results were inconclusive at this point. The ones that went straight were in a nice group, the rest keyholed and were a foot out of group.

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I have some data for Alliant STEEL Shotgun Powder and .223, 243, and 30.06. smile
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Some .243 with Alliant STEEL Shotgun Powder.


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30.06 with Alliant STEEL Shotgun powder.


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Thanks Lane....

Those look like some fun utility loads...

a four pounder or two of Steel looks like it would be a good thing for our varmint season out this way...

I think I only have a pound or two of it...sadly

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I run 12/Blue Dot w/53 V max.....nice around the house popper...223

quiet & still kills schidt dead right now.......

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I tried Steel not so good for my rifle, BlueDot and Trail Boss 2 thumbs up, ran across some OLD HS-7 CHEAP went back and bought the rest 10.00 per pound every bit as accurate as BlueDot and Trail boss and just as mild took a leap of faith but it works, TiteGroup is next


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Try the load JB turned me on to. 12.5 grains IMR4198 and your choice of 50-55 grain bullet.

It is my "go to" load since this thread was started..a few hundred dead gophers can't be wrong!


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Well since it raining guess I'll roll up some IMR 4198 today too, Thanks ingwe


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Wow. With those reduced .223 loads, you could use a .223 for everything you'd use a .22lr on up to full throttle .223.



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