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With respect to elk being solidly anchored with a 270 and then stumbling 30 yards into the wadi from hell, may i suggest the solution is to taze the beast at the same time he is shot thru the vitals with the 270? I wonder what the minimum caliber is for an elk-taser?

If I had to anchor bull on the spot I would use the high shoulder shot regardless if cartridge.

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I still maintain an elk moving 30 yards after being shot isn't a big deal. If the risk is so great that a pitch over the side of a canyon is a deal breaker..... well its a deal breaker with any bullet.

If I HAVE to anchor something 'cause a bad thing will happen if I doesn't, then I shoot it *in the head*, and if it's too far away, not a good enough rest, moving around too much, etc. to make that shot reliably, then I don't pull the trigger.

Trigger control is knowing when not to, too.

Tom

I agree about the 160 Nosler. It is overlooked for the 270 for large, big game and IIRC, Bob Hagel like it in the 270 or at least mentioned it in more than just passing.

I use Nosler's Book max of IMR 7828 for right at 3,110 FPS with out pressure signs




What kind of speed do you get out of the 270 Wby with that bullet? I really like the 270 Win but wouldn't mind adding a 270 Bee one day. [/quote]

Thanks for getting back to me, 3100+ fps is moving pretty fast. I'm running them at 2817 fps With IMR 7977 from my 270 Win.

I've watched 2 elk die via 270Win/140TSX ammo I loaded. Buddy killed one with his rifle, cousin killed the other with my rifle. Buddies was 125yds, broadside, punched the lungs and the old girl stood there for a good 3-4 sec before tipping over, never taking another step.

Cousin's was ~400-410yds, took 2 through the lungs and died in roughly the same amount of time as the one I shot that was standing next to it. I was using a 300Win/200TSX and also got a couple into it.

I've killed 5 bulls, 6 cows, all but 1 with a 300Win and either 200gn partitions or TSX's. The one outlier was a cow killed via 257Wby/100TSX.

If for some reason I was offered an opportunity to hunt elk this afternoon and the stipulation was I had to use my 270, I wouldn't be the least bit concerned as there's nothing I've done with my 300 that couldn't have been just as easily and cleanly done with a 270.

I agree. This gun/barrel have always ran on the fast side for me. I have learned over the years hunting in some very high temps that I can trust this load for this rifle. as always your mileage may vary.

Comparing SDs of say .270cal 150NP vs .30cal 150NP is ok, but SD is not a reliable method of determining comparative bullet performance in the case of
.270cal 150NP vs 30cal 150 monometal....because it ignores important differences in construction and design that effect terminal performance.

Idahoguy101 in his orig Q. said nothing about like construction and/or brand of bullets as a requirement when asking about RECOIL between 150gn bullets.

Nosler data:
.270win 150gn R19 55.0 max
.30/06 150gn R19 61.5 max

more powder = more recoil = question answered without all the distracting tangents he didn't ask about.




270/150 is a better choice or not? , or 270/150 vs 30-06/150 a fair comparison or not?
really depends on what actual type/variety of bullets you are comparing.

A 30cal 150 mono may have very simliar (or even less) frontal expanded area and retain similar(or more) weight, than some types .270-cal 150 cupcores
which makes the static unfired bullet SD comparisons people use in determining terminal performance, unreliable.
Although SD will be the same in a range of cup-cores in same weight & calibre(or a range of monos in the same weight and calibre) it can still be misleading
in regards to terminal performance outcomes.

Nosler data:
270win 150NP 2910mv MAX...200yd: 2512/2102 400yd: 2155/1545
Barnes data:
30/06 150TSX 3050 MAX.......200yd: 2597/2246 400yd: 2195/1605

Regardless 300yds is what would be my range with any caliber
I have respect for the Elk and would be sure for making a humane kill
270 300yds is just fine and justified shot should be able to get even closer

I would still stick to a 130 gr bullit

270 - elk - 300yd ...no doubt. One gent here rolled one with his 6.5x47 just shy of 1,000..........

I like hunting elk, eating elk and talking about hunting elk. I really like talking about suitable rifles and cartridges for elk too because it's fun and often entertaining. I've noticed that there is no universally prefect rifle cartridge combo, but most guys think there is. I've also noticed that the fewer elk a guy has killed or seen killed, the more certain he will be about what constitutes perfect. What's right for me might not be right for you. I have a friend who thinks his 300WM is perfect and it is for him. His a big guy and he shoots his .300 very well. When asked if he's bothered by the 300's recoil he'll say what recoil. I'd not think the 300WM perfect, too much recoil for me. One reason there are so many perfect elk cartridges is that elk aren't that hard to kill despite their large size. I don't know why this might be so. While a bull elk can be almost 3x the size of a buck deer they aren't nearly that much harder to put down.

Having read many past posts about the .270 & elk, I would have thought a .300 mag would be the minimum needed for elk. I am now advised that a .270 bullet will not bounce off an elk.

I read a book, I do not have it with me on the road. 30 or 40 years with the 45 70? I think it is called. It has a bunch of letters from Elmer Keith, and others. I personally think these debates are splitting hairs or comparing red delicious to Granny Smith, they are all basically the same. What the the heck is a few 100 yards between friends? The 270 is fast, very fast, it has bullets that can get up to an impressive sectional density. The 300 mag is fast, Very , very, very fast. It can shoot bullets with a impressive sectional density. Ol Elmer Keith claims neither one works as well as a 45 70 does when you " miss the rib cage". But like I say apples to apples in my book.

You can always count on the 270 Has for a long time been a Elk rifle
Has many choices for ammo. And will and has got the job done.

I plan on using a 140 grain Swift A frame on a late September elk hunt in a pre-64 Model 70 featherweight. I'm not worried with either the bullet or the rifle.

It's all in the bullet.

I started following my dad as a kindergartner in the early 60's and have witnessed LOTS of elk being killed, including guiding elk hunters for 25+ years. Today's premium bullets have changed the game--especially in the small and mid bores.

Pick a premium bullet and choose your fav cartridge, it's simple after that.

Personally, my favorite elk combo is a lightweight 270 and 150gr NPt's. With my 243 and 100gr NPt's a close second...........

Casey

You just caused a few strokes.