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I figgered nothin to loose and held up one of my 7mm/08 catridges butt first for her to see. An she fell over DEAD. That 7m oh ate stamp skeered her plumb to death. Somethin a .260 would never have done. No doubt.  That's a goodun. + With a 17 yr head start, why should many 708ers switch ? I remember the early articles on the 260 were not impressive. Jerry
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Like many other wildcats attributed to multiple designers, I'm sure a dozen different people messed with 6.5/308 the first year the 308 case was available.
I loved Mr. Waters and Mr. Acklely, but iI doubt you could conclusively say Mr Waters was first with the 260.
Does anyone really believe Hodgdon was the first to do a 22-250?
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I read in Hornady's 9th edition that Jim Carmichael was involved in developing the .260 Remington. They should check the historical records. P.O. Ackley attributed the ".263 Express" to Ken Waters in the Handbook for Shooters & Reloaders, Vol. 1, p. 356 (pub. 1962). In Ken Waters' Notebook, p. 364, we read that Mr. Waters developed the cartridge (.308 necked to .264) in the mid-1950s. Carmichael worked with Herb Reilly of Jonesborough, TN when he claimed to be the one who made it happen as a factory load. I never met Jim Carmichael but Herb was an excellent gunsmith who did some great work for me. Sadly, he passed a couple of years ago. Good man.
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Who knows who first necked up/down the case? Some guy in his basement...
Ken Waters, though, was the first to write about it (AFAIK) and handloaders read it and repeated it. That should get some credit as development.
If Carmichael was the guy who got it factorialized, then good on him for getting us factory brass!
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I bought a Remington Model Seven (SS) in 260 and love the handling; unfortunately, it is not too accurate. Last November, I purchased a Remington 700 SPS and am mighty pleased. The 260 Remington is just too good to die!
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It's not that far behind a .25/06 100 grain load either, and would be good for western hunting too ....
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is a great killer. The 260 is too!
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260 was introduced with 1 in 10 twist I thought that was flat stupid from day one. If you are going to copy the ballistics of the 6.5x55 then copy what made it great. That would be it's 1-7.78 twist barrel. Now they have it in 1-8 with the new 700 SPS. Same story as the 244, too little too late. You really only get one shot at the brass ring in the gun world, screw that up and you might as well hang it up. I had a buddy that bought one when they first came out. We loaded up some 155 grain matchking's They didn't fly sideways at 100 yards but they did print oblong holes. Probably would have been sideways out farther. It shot 120 grain matchkings well.
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It was invented by George Herter just after he perfected double based gun powder.
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260 was introduced with 1 in 10 twist I thought that was flat stupid from day one. If you are going to copy the ballistics of the 6.5x55 then copy what made it great. That would be it's 1-7.78 twist barrel. Now they have it in 1-8 with the new 700 SPS. Same story as the 244, too little too late. You really only get one shot at the brass ring in the gun world, screw that up and you might as well hang it up. I had a buddy that bought one when they first came out. We loaded up some 155 grain matchking's They didn't fly sideways at 100 yards but they did print oblong holes. Probably would have been sideways out farther. It shot 120 grain matchkings well. Except for the current run of 1-8" ROT 700 SPS, all of the other Remington-built 260s were cataloged with 1-9" ROT barrels.
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Remington has gotten the .260 right, finally, with the SPS. 24" barrel, 1:8, short enough throat, 6.6 lb without scope (catalog erroneously says 7.25 lb.). Now, if they could just get their sandblaster to keep away from the bolt face!
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