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I'm just jealous that the wonderful 260 Remington never got this kind of love. The 260 would if it was twisted faster fit Remington boxes better with like bullets and ammo manufactures supported as well as they do the creedmoor. This has always been a Remington issue. They refuse to support their own headstamps shortly after introduction.
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Hate? I got a Howa Lightning in 6.5CM from Whittaker's for $320 bucks shipped. Got a deal on black friday for a SS fixed 6x MQ and mount for $260.
Thing shoots well, and isn't made of plastic. No hate here.
Your Howa didn't come with a Hogue stock? If memory serves me, the Whittaker sale was for barreled action and bottom metal only. That's the way to go when your only option is a Hogue stock.
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Cause it is inferior in just about every way Regale me. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z345/joan4321/Kansas%202015/IMG_1564_SK_kansas_15_1_small_zpsgsndfjqu.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z345/joan4321/Kansas%202016/IMG_6522_LR_zpsqpbudkyx.jpg) Very nice deer!! A trophy. It was a good day for me when I finally accepted the fact that I don't need a long action chamgering to kill things...dead.
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Hate? I got a Howa Lightning in 6.5CM from Whittaker's for $320 bucks shipped. Got a deal on black friday for a SS fixed 6x MQ and mount for $260.
Thing shoots well, and isn't made of plastic. No hate here.
Your Howa didn't come with a Hogue stock? If memory serves me, the Whittaker sale was for barreled action and bottom metal only. That's the way to go when your only option is a Hogue stock. They have have the Hogue stocked Howa Lightning 6.5 Creedmoor on sale for $329.99 right now.
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I don't hate it, but I will never own it. Why? I'm bumping eighty. My brain is calculated for .243, .270, .308, and .30-06. Anything else would clutter up my grey matter. You guys who know how to use your smart phones as a pocket computer, my hat is off to you. Have fun. High tech for me is surgical gloves so I don't have to wash up after gutting a deer.
Have fun,
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6.5 130gr JLK:.600 G1(that's not a guess)
6.5 135gr JLK:.620 G1(same as above)
And don't tell me they don't kill, I'll prove you wrong....
If you think 2-3" more drift at 400 yards is academic, would you rather hit a deer in front of the diaphragm, or behind it with the same wind call?
If you go back and read my posts, I was talking about the benefits for MOST hunters - you know, the vast majority that shoot factory ammo and have never heard of JLK bullets and certainly don't shoot them. But I'll play. With the same JLK bullets, I'll take my 6.5-06AI or even a standard 6.5-06 over the 6.5 Creedmoor. Is the 6.5 Creedmoor a good cartridge? Of course. Will most hunters see a big difference using it instead of other cartridges? Not in this lifetime. [Edited to add...] By my calculations a 6.5CM/130 JLK @ 2950fps beats a 7mm-08/168JLK @ 2650fps by a whopping 0.1" in drift at 400 yards. Exciting stuff. (yawn) [End edit] Sounds like you're a real expert on JLK bullets....you ever shot them?....thought so...
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I read that Otzi used to worry about the same schit.
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Pat,
Do you have a good 6.5 Creedmoor load with the JLK?
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It's a nice enough round but there are a lot of nice cartridges out there.
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Sounds like you're a real expert on JLK bullets....you ever shot them?....thought so...
I've never even seen one, which is irrelevant to my point that most hunters won't see any big advantage with the 6.5 Creedmoor over what they shoot now. The reason has little to do with the bullet of choice and much to do with the ranges at which they shoot and the ammo they choose to use. Something I think any honest broker would freely admit.
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No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
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I also read that guys that shoot schit 300+ are pretty much looking to specifically to shoot stuff at 300+.
Damn the Internet.
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I think the dislike by some for the 6.5 Creedmoor stems from their inability to spell "Creedmoor" correctly.
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I think the dislike by some for the 6.5 Creedmoor stems from their inability to spell "Creedmoor" correctly. Moor or less
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 I like that. Jerry
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I have one, it's not revolutionary but it is an "easy button" to shooting the long, heavy bullets most other factory rifles won't.
I realize for a lot of guys, rebarreling a rifle is no big deal, but it's not worth the price to me. I'd really like to have a .22-220 AI that could stabilize a 75gr AMAX, maybe some day I will.
In terms on hunting performance, it's not any different than a .260, 7mm-08, or a lot of other stuff.
The only valid reason I see for anyone to "hate it" is that the shortage of H4350 still going on because of its popularity. Being tired of hearing how "superior it is" from a bunch of guys who can't hit a coke can at 100 yards is another issue, but not the cartridge's fault.
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Put a 140 Berger at 2800fps up against the Roberts and tell me the difference. Or a 147 ELD. Or a 139 Scenar. Or a 143ELD. Or a 136 Scenar...... Since my posts have had to do with "most" hunters - the vast majority of whom use factory ammo - and ranges of 300 yards or under, how about just comparing factory ammo such hunters might actually use? Using 'Point Blank' again, 50F, 7500', 300 yards, 10mph drift: 6.5 Creedmoor 3.32", Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2695fps, 24" barrel 3.76", Hornady 143g ELD, .623 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel 4.49", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 5.20", Hornady 129g IL, .445 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel 5.20", Federal 130g Berger. .560 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel? 6.00", Federal 120g Trophy Copper. .497 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel? 7.40", Federal 140g Fusion. .439 B.C. @ 2750fps, 24" barrel? .260 Rem 4.13", Hornady 130g ELD, .584 B.C. @ 2840fps, 24" barrel 4.60", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 4.68", Remington 120g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2890fps, 24" barrel? 7mm-08 4.02", Hornady 150g ELD, .574 B.C. @ 2770fps, 24" barrel 4.48", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 4.66", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 2860fps, 24" barrel? .270 Win 4.03", Hornady 145g ELD, .536 B.C. @ 2970fps, 24" barrel 4.25", Hornady 130g SST, .460 B.C. @ 3200fps, 24" barrel 4.67", Remington 130g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 3060fps, 24" barrel? .280 Remington 3.85", Hornady 150g ELD, B.C. .574 @ 2925fps, 24" barrel 4.21", Hornady 139g SST, B.C. .486 @ 3090fps, 24" barrel 4.41", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel? 7mm RM 3.41", Hornady 162 ELD, .631 B.C. @ 2940fps, 24" barrel 3.79", Remington 150g AccuTip, .530 B.C. @ 3110fps, 24" barrel? 3.82", Hornady 162 SST, .550 B.C. @ 3030fps, 24" barrel 3.85", Hornady 154 IB, .525 B.C. @ 3100fps, 24" barrel 3.93", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 3240fps, 24" barrel 4.04", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3175fps, 24" barrel? .308 Win 5.22", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel 5.26", Hornady 155g AMAX, .435 B.C. @ 2850fps, 24" barrel 5.53", Remington 165g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel? 6.20", Federal 185 Berger. .552 B.C. @ 2600fps, 24" barrel? 30-06 4.78", Hornady 80g IB, .480 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel 4.91", Hornady 165g IB, .447 B.C. @ 2960fps, 24" barrel 5.00", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3080fps, 24" barrel 5.01", Remington 150g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2725fps, 24" barrel? Granted, the Creedmoor comes in best in this list, but many of the differences are very small compared to typical kill zone sizes. And, as the list shows, hunters could easily end up worse off in terms of drift depending on which Creedmoor ammo they choose. Oh, and the comparison to my .257 Roberts handload you asked for? .257 Roberts +P handload 4.80", Nosler 110g AB, B.C. .418 B.C. @ 3163fps, 22" barrel At 300 yards it beats half the 6.5 Creedmoor factory loads in terms of drift. Because I don't like frangible match bullets for hunting, it beats all of the 6.5 Creedmoor loads I would use for that purpose.
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Put a 140 Berger at 2800fps up against the Roberts and tell me the difference. Or a 147 ELD. Or a 139 Scenar. Or a 143ELD. Or a 136 Scenar...... Since my posts have had to do with "most" hunters - the vast majority of whom use factory ammo - and ranges of 300 yards or under, how about just comparing factory ammo such hunters might actually use? Using 'Point Blank' again, 50F, 7500', 300 yards, 10mph drift: 6.5 Creedmoor 3.32", Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2695fps, 24" barrel 3.76", Hornady 143g ELD, .623 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel 4.49", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 5.20", Hornady 129g IL, .445 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel 5.20", Federal 130g Berger. .560 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel? 6.00", Federal 120g Trophy Copper. .497 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel? 7.40", Federal 140g Fusion. .439 B.C. @ 2750fps, 24" barrel? .260 Rem 4.13", Hornady 130g ELD, .584 B.C. @ 2840fps, 24" barrel 4.60", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 4.68", Remington 120g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2890fps, 24" barrel? 7mm-08 4.02", Hornady 150g ELD, .574 B.C. @ 2770fps, 24" barrel 4.48", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 4.66", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 2860fps, 24" barrel? .270 Win 4.03", Hornady 145g ELD, .536 B.C. @ 2970fps, 24" barrel 4.25", Hornady 130g SST, .460 B.C. @ 3200fps, 24" barrel 4.67", Remington 130g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 3060fps, 24" barrel? .280 Remington 3.85", Hornady 150g ELD, B.C. .574 @ 2925fps, 24" barrel 4.21", Hornady 139g SST, B.C. .486 @ 3090fps, 24" barrel 4.41", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel? 7mm RM 3.41", Hornady 162 ELD, .631 B.C. @ 2940fps, 24" barrel 3.79", Remington 150g AccuTip, .530 B.C. @ 3110fps, 24" barrel? 3.82", Hornady 162 SST, .550 B.C. @ 3030fps, 24" barrel 3.85", Hornady 154 IB, .525 B.C. @ 3100fps, 24" barrel 3.93", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 3240fps, 24" barrel 4.04", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3175fps, 24" barrel? .308 Win 5.22", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel 5.26", Hornady 155g AMAX, .435 B.C. @ 2850fps, 24" barrel 5.53", Remington 165g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel? 6.20", Federal 185 Berger. .552 B.C. @ 2600fps, 24" barrel? 30-06 4.78", Hornady 80g IB, .480 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel 4.91", Hornady 165g IB, .447 B.C. @ 2960fps, 24" barrel 5.00", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3080fps, 24" barrel 5.01", Remington 150g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2725fps, 24" barrel? Granted, the Creedmoor comes in best in this list, but many of the differences are very small compared to typical kill zone sizes. And, as the list shows, hunters could easily end up worse off in terms of drift depending on which Creedmoor ammo they choose. Oh, and the comparison to my .257 Roberts handload you asked for? .257 Roberts +P handload 4.80", Nosler 110g AB, B.C. .418 B.C. @ 3163fps, 22" barrel At 300 yards it beats half the 6.5 Creedmoor factory loads in terms of drift. Because I don't like frangible match bullets for hunting, it beats all of the 6.5 Creedmoor loads I would use for that purpose. Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?
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Replace "most hunters" with "at distances where most game is shot" and the list means diddly dick.....
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