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Cause it is inferior in just about every way
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The cartridge is fine, it's the Creedtards that bother me. It's the only subject they want to talk about.
It should be noted that there are some fine people that own Creedmoors and most are not Creedtards.
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It's the latest and greatest......
Until the next latest and greatest
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What hate? And why would you care?
What fresh Hell is this?
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What hate? And why would you care? +1
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Hahaha! I enjoy seeing people melt down and self destruct like a pack of liberals trying fit through the " Safe space " door at the same time at the slightest mention of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Fact is the cartridge is more capable than 90% of its drivers. 
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Cuz it gave us the 6 Creedmoor! We will see 100 threads on why it is much better than a .243, just like the 6.5cm is better than a .260!
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The cartridge is fine, it's the Creedtards that bother me. It's the only subject they want to talk about. I'm just thankful the Savage 99's was never chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor.
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What hate? And why would you care? +1 Ditto!
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Because it's a great well designed and well balanced giant slayer and good things scare some people.
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6.5 Creedmoor is the new .270.
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The cartridge is fine, it's the Creedtards that bother me. It's the only subject they want to talk about. I'm just thankful the Savage 99's was never chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. That situation could be easy to remedied with an aftermarket barrel and a 99C/CD donor.
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Hate? I got a Howa Lightning in 6.5CM from Whittaker's for $320 bucks shipped. Got a deal on black friday for a SS fixed 6x MQ and mount for $260.
Thing shoots well, and isn't made of plastic. No hate here.
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I have been shooting it for a few years in competition and have burnt out two barrels with the chambering. My complaint all along has been the Hornady brass - it plain sucks. Plus the neck is a bit forward for the 140 grain Berger Hybrid. I am very intrigued by the new Lapua brass using the small primer, and have some to try out, but the 6.5x47 fixed all the problems the Creedmoor set out to fix, and in a more efficient manner. The CR is successful because it was marketed well and all the fuss Hornady put behind it, not because it is the best 6.5 short action chambering.
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It's the latest and greatest......
Until the next latest and greatest It's not even "new"...it was released in what, 2007? So a decade ago and only in the last year'ish or 2 its started to really "catch on"... It's popular strictly due to PRS and their velocity limits, as a hunting rifle it's no better or worse then anything else. If PRS upped their velocity limits to say, 3300...you'll never hear about the Creedmoor again...it'll die faster then the WSSM's...
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Hate? I got a Howa Lightning in 6.5CM from Whittaker's for $320 bucks shipped. Got a deal on black friday for a SS fixed 6x MQ and mount for $260.
Thing shoots well, and isn't made of plastic. No hate here.
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Why the hate of the 6.5 Creedmoor? I would say for the same reason this forum has hate for multiple different brands/calibers, etc. There is some irrational need for people to bash on something they don't have to enable them to self-justify what they have. (I feel no need to type the word "grins" after my post to somehow show that I'm clever).
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Cause Ruger wont make the RAR in Left Hand in 6.5 CM or Tikka or?
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I'm just jealous that the wonderful 260 Remington never got this kind of love.
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Why the hate of the 6.5 Creedmoor? I would say for the same reason this forum has hate for multiple different brands/calibers, etc. There is some irrational need for people to bash on something they don't have to enable them to self-justify what they have. (I feel no need to type the word "grins" after my post to somehow show that I'm clever). And few will kick their own dog. That's why 2" less drift is a mile when your the one with the "advantage".
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I'm just jealous that the wonderful 260 Remington never got this kind of love. The 260 would if it was twisted faster fit Remington boxes better with like bullets and ammo manufactures supported as well as they do the creedmoor.
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You think it has anything to do with the timing of it's design? I mean, was everyone a turret twisting long range jockey in 1997?
Dunno...
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Probably awesome, but I'll keep shooting my 257 WBY for a light rifle.
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Because "shorter" isn't better
Size does matter no matter what she says.
I place the 6.5 PR hype with the 270 crowd that it's that much better - you don't have to hype good stuff... so like the 270, this cartridge may be rainbow oriented.
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is the Nickelback of the cartridge world. Technically proficient, yet lacking soul, and marketed towards middle class white men. Both also seem to garner an inordinate amount of hatred, simply because they exist.
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While I don't "hate" it, I don't need it, either.
Just bought a barrel to finish a build. Final two contenders included a 6.5 Creedmoor, but it wasn't even close. Opted for a boring .308 Win instead.
If I want what a 6.5 can do I'll get my 6.5-06AI out.
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No hate of it from me, but no love for it either.
Its a well marketed and promoted round. For most people the difference between the 6.5CM against their current 243, 260, or 7mm08 just isnt enough to justify getting a CM.
Right now knowing if the 6.5CM is a hit isnt known yet.
15 years from now we will know the answer if its still around and readily available, or if the new 2032 caliber the 6.7 spectre has over shadowed it.
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[quote=TheBigSky]And few will kick their own dog. That's why 2" less drift is a mile when your the one with the "advantage".
The 6.5CM drifts 2" less than what, at what range, and in what wind speed? I missed the other half of the comparison.
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is the Nickelback of the cartridge world. That's funny!
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My son got a Vanguard in 6.5 Creedmoor. He loves it and says he has never had a rifle he was this pinpoint accurate with.
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I like it. Creedmoor Kool Aid tastes pretty good when poured from a RPR, spewing out tiny groups! Easy on the shoulder and kills deer just like any other 6.5. It's just plain fun to shoot.
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Never shot one, but a 7-08 will do the same.
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And few will kick their own dog. That's why 2" less drift is a mile when your the one with the "advantage".
Just had a discussion with a couple folks on the elevator at my hotel here in Toronto. They are staying on the 17th floor while I'm on the 6th. We all agreed that in case of fire and everyone having to jump out the windows, they would have longer to live than I would - but their extra 1-1/2 seconds or so would not make any appreciable difference in the individual outcomes. Sometimes stuff matters, sometimes it doesn't. As a practical matter, most game is taken at ranges under 300 yards. A 2” difference in drift that occurs far beyond that range makes no practical difference to most hunters. Nor, except as a fluke, does it make any difference to irresponsible hunters like my son-in-law's father, who is one of those willing to take shots at any range but is clueless about how to do so effectively. For him a 2" difference in drift wouldn't get him close to on target with some of the shots he has bragged about missing. In reality, those 2” only matter to a tiny fraction of hunters or shooters. That is, IF and WHEN the 2” advantage actually occurs. A 2” advantage in drift? What does that equate to in terms of yards? Frankly, it depends on what it is compared to. Out of curiosity, I ran a comparison between my .257 Roberts with my +P handloads using a 110g AccuBond and a Hornady Superformance 6.5 Creedmoor 129g InterBond factory load. The following numbers were generated using the ‘Point Blank’ ballistic calculator and assuming 7500 feet, 50 degrees Fahrenheit, 250 yard zeros and a 10mph crosswind. At 500 yards: 6.5 Creedmoor / 129g IB @ 2950FPS (B.C. .485) (Hornady Superformance factory load, 24” barrel) 31.2” Drop 2245 FPS 1445 FPE 13.1” drift .257 Roberts / 110g AccuBond @ 3163fps (B.C. .418) (+P Handload, 22” barrel) 28.0” Drop 2319 FPS 1313 FPE 14.0” Drift For those that are paying attention, that gives the 6.5 Creedmoor less than a 1” drift advantage at 500 yards. To give the cartridge its due, it does eventually reach a 2” advantage in drift – at about 675 yards. By then, though, we’re talking about total drift distances of 25.1” vs 27.2”. Adjust velocities for equal length barrels and the difference shrinks even further. For kicks I ran the calculations for my 6.5-06AI with a 130g Swift Scirocco II. At 500 yards: 6.5-06AI / 130g Scirocco II @ 3161fps (B.C. .571) (Handload, 24” barrel) 25.7” drop 2528fps 1845fpe 9.9” Drift Don’t think I’ll be jumping on the 6.5 Creedmoor wagon any time soon but certainly don't "hate" it or look down on those that choose it. Considered recommending it to Daughter #1 for her first centerfire but a .308 Win won out for number of reasons.
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And few will kick their own dog. That's why 2" less drift is a mile when your the one with the "advantage".
Just had a discussion with a couple folks on the elevator at my hotel here in Toronto. They are staying on the 17th floor while I'm on the 6th. We all agreed that in case of fire and everyone having to jump out the windows, they would have longer to live than I would - but their extra 1-1/2 seconds or so would not make any appreciable difference in the individual outcomes. Sometimes stuff matters, sometimes it doesn't. As a practical matter, most game is taken at ranges under 300 yards. A 2” difference in drift that occurs far beyond that range makes no practical difference to most hunters. Nor, except as a fluke, does it make any difference to irresponsible hunters like my son-in-law's father, who is one of those willing to take shots at any range but is clueless about how to do so effectively. For him a 2" difference in drift wouldn't get him close to on target with some of the shots he has bragged about missing. In reality, those 2” only matter to a tiny fraction of hunters or shooters. That is, IF and WHEN the 2” advantage actually occurs. A 2” advantage in drift? What does that equate to in terms of yards? Frankly, it depends on what it is compared to. Out of curiosity, I ran a comparison between my .257 Roberts with my +P handloads using a 110g AccuBond and a Hornady Superformance 6.5 Creedmoor 129g InterBond factory load. The following numbers were generated using the ‘Point Blank’ ballistic calculator and assuming 7500 feet, 50 degrees Fahrenheit, 250 yard zeros and a 10mph crosswind. At 500 yards: 6.5 Creedmoor / 129g IB @ 2950FPS (B.C. .485) (Hornady Superformance factory load, 24” barrel) 31.2” Drop 2245 FPS 1445 FPE 13.1” drift .257 Roberts / 110g AccuBond @ 3163fps (B.C. .418) (+P Handload, 22” barrel) 28.0” Drop 2319 FPS 1313 FPE 14.0” Drift For those that are paying attention, that gives the 6.5 Creedmoor less than a 1” drift advantage at 500 yards. To give the cartridge its due, it does eventually reach a 2” advantage in drift – at about 675 yards. By then, though, we’re talking about total drift distances of 25.1” vs 27.2”. Adjust velocities for equal length barrels and the difference shrinks even further. For kicks I ran the calculations for my 6.5-06AI with a 130g Swift Scirocco II. At 500 yards: 6.5-06AI / 130g Scirocco II @ 3161fps (B.C. .571) (Handload, 24” barrel) 25.7” drop 2528fps 1845fpe 9.9” Drift Don’t think I’ll be jumping on the 6.5 Creedmoor wagon any time soon but certainly don't "hate" it or look down on those that choose it. Considered recommending it to Daughter #1 for her first centerfire but a .308 Win won out for number of reasons. Handloads with a higher BC bullet for caliber vs factory with a ping pong ball. Wow. Put a 140 Berger at 2800fps up against the Roberts and tell me the difference. Or a 147 ELD. Or a 139 Scenar. Or a 143ELD. Or a 136 Scenar......
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Handloads with a higher BC bullet for caliber vs factory with a ping pong ball. Wow.
Put a 140 Berger at 2800fps up against the Roberts and tell me the difference. Or a 147 ELD. Or a 139 Scenar. Or a 143ELD. Or a 136 Scenar......
Most hunters do not handload and a large portion of them select their ammo based on what is available on the shelf in front of them, with can eye toward keeping costs at a minimum. Bergers and Scenars and such are not part of their world. Hornady factory ammo often is. Yes, I used handloads for comparison - because that is what I hunt with. For comparison I very intentionally chose a Hornady bullet of similar construction to the 110g AccuBond I use in my Roberts. Further, if you care to look, you will see the 6.5 Creedmoor bullet has a B.C. of .485 while the .257 Roberts bullet has a much lower B.C. at .418 - a fact you overlooked or ignored. If you want to compare to the Berger or Scenar you will have to do the math yourself. I would be interested in the results. Feel free to use handloads. BTW, Federal's new 130g Berger load shows 15.7" drift at 500 yards. That is almost 2" more than my Roberts load.
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is the Nickelback of the cartridge world. Technically proficient, yet lacking soul, and marketed towards middle class white men. Both also seem to garner an inordinate amount of hatred, simply because they exist. Business up front, party in the back. It's the cartridge equivalent of the mullet.
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6.5 130gr JLK:.600 G1(that's not a guess)
6.5 135gr JLK:.620 G1(same as above)
And don't tell me they don't kill, I'll prove you wrong....
If you think 2-3" more drift at 400 yards is academic, would you rather hit a deer in front of the diaphragm, or behind it with the same wind call?
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6.5 130gr JLK:.600 G1(that's not a guess)
6.5 135gr JLK:.620 G1(same as above)
And don't tell me they don't kill, I'll prove you wrong....
If you think 2-3" more drift at 400 yards is academic, would you rather hit a deer in front of the diaphragm, or behind it with the same wind call?
If you go back and read my posts, I was talking about the benefits for MOST hunters - you know, the vast majority that shoot factory ammo and have never heard of JLK bullets and certainly don't shoot them. But I'll play. With the same JLK bullets, I'll take my 6.5-06AI or even a standard 6.5-06 over the 6.5 Creedmoor. Is the 6.5 Creedmoor a good cartridge? Of course. Will most hunters see a big difference using it instead of other cartridges? Not in this lifetime. [Edited to add...] By my calculations a 6.5CM/130 JLK @ 2950fps beats a 7mm-08/168JLK @ 2650fps by a whopping 0.1" in drift at 400 yards. Exciting stuff. (yawn) [End edit]
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6.5 130gr JLK:.600 G1(that's not a guess)
6.5 135gr JLK:.620 G1(same as above)
And don't tell me they don't kill, I'll prove you wrong....
If you think 2-3" more drift at 400 yards is academic, would you rather hit a deer in front of the diaphragm, or behind it with the same wind call?
Would you recommend the 130 JLK as a primary deer bullet in a 6.5 Creedmoor? Shots near to far. Lots of good options out there but I don't know anything about JLKs as hunting bullets.
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Handloads with a higher BC bullet for caliber vs factory with a ping pong ball. Wow.
Put a 140 Berger at 2800fps up against the Roberts and tell me the difference. Or a 147 ELD. Or a 139 Scenar. Or a 143ELD. Or a 136 Scenar......
Most hunters do not handload and a large portion of them select their ammo based on what is available on the shelf in front of them, with can eye toward keeping costs at a minimum. Bergers and Scenars and such are not part of their world. Hornady factory ammo often is. Yes, I used handloads for comparison - because that is what I hunt with. For comparison I very intentionally chose a Hornady bullet of similar construction to the 110g AccuBond I use in my Roberts. Further, if you care to look, you will see the 6.5 Creedmoor bullet has a B.C. of .485 while the .257 Roberts bullet has a much lower B.C. at .418 - a fact you overlooked or ignored. If you want to compare to the Berger or Scenar you will have to do the math yourself. I would be interested in the results. Feel free to use handloads. BTW, Federal's new 130g Berger load shows 15.7" drift at 500 yards. That is almost 2" more than my Roberts load. So you won't do it. Got it. Thanks.
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Don't hate it, just don't see what it will do that my 260 won't.
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Cause it is inferior in just about every way Regale me. You really shouldn't post pics like that. I have a handful of un-needed points in KS and pics like this make me jealous. Next time just let me know where you want to pick me up on the way down.  Your dad can vouch for me...
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Again, I find Coyote Hunter using wind drift comparisons to make is case a bit ironic. Scenarshooter's diaphragm question was an astute example of why, especially when juxtaposed with a few of CH's elk hunting adventures...
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Again, I find Coyote Hunter using wind drift comparisons to make is case a bit ironic. Scenarshooter's diaphragm question was an astute example of why, especially when juxtaposed with a few of CH's elk hunting adventures... And you - probably intentionally - miss the point completely. Once again, my comments are regarding the vast majority of hunters who take their game at at ranges under 300 yards and use factory ammo. Very few of them will see any big benefit with a 6.5 Creedmoor vs whatever else they might be using. Does the 6.5 Creedmoor shine at longer ranges? Yes. The benefits of the 6.5mm projectiles are the reason I built a 6.5-06AI.
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I don't have to worry about anybody possibly thinking I may be clever!
As to the original topic, I was blissfully unaware of all the angst regarding the cartridge until reading this post. Now I'll have to seek therapy on everybody else's dime.
But probably not, as I think I'll survive this tragedy as I did survived the Bamster.
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DDD's and B's both have nipples and jiggle. Just saying. Yes. BUT,which one is better in the long run?
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Yes. BUT,which one is better in the long run?
- - I got that !! All I'm going to say is that " I ain't selling my 270 for the creedmoor." Jerry
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I'm love mine! But I also love the 260 Rem, and the 6.5x55. I've killed several deer with each with no noticeable difference on game. One plus for the Creedmoor is extremely accurate factory ammo at a good price.
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My 270 belonged to a late Uncle and was given to me by my cousin. When we were kids my aunt wanted to shoot it. He had two soda bottles sitting around 150 yards in the back field of my grandparents place. She sits down and uses the fence as a rest.
"Can you see them?"
"Yeah"
"Shoot the one on the left"
"Ok"
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"I think I got it"
"Eh, you hit the one on the right......"
That was some funny schit. Maybe it was drift? 270,30-06, blah, blah who gives a phuqq.
Same schit, over and over and over. Grin, GFY, bless somebody's window licking sugar tits.....
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I'm just jealous that the wonderful 260 Remington never got this kind of love. The 260 would if it was twisted faster fit Remington boxes better with like bullets and ammo manufactures supported as well as they do the creedmoor. This has always been a Remington issue. They refuse to support their own headstamps shortly after introduction.
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Hate? I got a Howa Lightning in 6.5CM from Whittaker's for $320 bucks shipped. Got a deal on black friday for a SS fixed 6x MQ and mount for $260.
Thing shoots well, and isn't made of plastic. No hate here.
Your Howa didn't come with a Hogue stock? If memory serves me, the Whittaker sale was for barreled action and bottom metal only. That's the way to go when your only option is a Hogue stock.
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Cause it is inferior in just about every way Regale me. Very nice deer!! A trophy. It was a good day for me when I finally accepted the fact that I don't need a long action chamgering to kill things...dead.
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Hate? I got a Howa Lightning in 6.5CM from Whittaker's for $320 bucks shipped. Got a deal on black friday for a SS fixed 6x MQ and mount for $260.
Thing shoots well, and isn't made of plastic. No hate here.
Your Howa didn't come with a Hogue stock? If memory serves me, the Whittaker sale was for barreled action and bottom metal only. That's the way to go when your only option is a Hogue stock. They have have the Hogue stocked Howa Lightning 6.5 Creedmoor on sale for $329.99 right now.
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I don't hate it, but I will never own it. Why? I'm bumping eighty. My brain is calculated for .243, .270, .308, and .30-06. Anything else would clutter up my grey matter. You guys who know how to use your smart phones as a pocket computer, my hat is off to you. Have fun. High tech for me is surgical gloves so I don't have to wash up after gutting a deer.
Have fun,
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6.5 130gr JLK:.600 G1(that's not a guess)
6.5 135gr JLK:.620 G1(same as above)
And don't tell me they don't kill, I'll prove you wrong....
If you think 2-3" more drift at 400 yards is academic, would you rather hit a deer in front of the diaphragm, or behind it with the same wind call?
If you go back and read my posts, I was talking about the benefits for MOST hunters - you know, the vast majority that shoot factory ammo and have never heard of JLK bullets and certainly don't shoot them. But I'll play. With the same JLK bullets, I'll take my 6.5-06AI or even a standard 6.5-06 over the 6.5 Creedmoor. Is the 6.5 Creedmoor a good cartridge? Of course. Will most hunters see a big difference using it instead of other cartridges? Not in this lifetime. [Edited to add...] By my calculations a 6.5CM/130 JLK @ 2950fps beats a 7mm-08/168JLK @ 2650fps by a whopping 0.1" in drift at 400 yards. Exciting stuff. (yawn) [End edit] Sounds like you're a real expert on JLK bullets....you ever shot them?....thought so...
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I read that Otzi used to worry about the same schit.
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Pat,
Do you have a good 6.5 Creedmoor load with the JLK?
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It's a nice enough round but there are a lot of nice cartridges out there.
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Sounds like you're a real expert on JLK bullets....you ever shot them?....thought so...
I've never even seen one, which is irrelevant to my point that most hunters won't see any big advantage with the 6.5 Creedmoor over what they shoot now. The reason has little to do with the bullet of choice and much to do with the ranges at which they shoot and the ammo they choose to use. Something I think any honest broker would freely admit.
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I also read that guys that shoot schit 300+ are pretty much looking to specifically to shoot stuff at 300+.
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I think the dislike by some for the 6.5 Creedmoor stems from their inability to spell "Creedmoor" correctly.
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I think the dislike by some for the 6.5 Creedmoor stems from their inability to spell "Creedmoor" correctly. Moor or less
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I like that. Jerry
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I have one, it's not revolutionary but it is an "easy button" to shooting the long, heavy bullets most other factory rifles won't.
I realize for a lot of guys, rebarreling a rifle is no big deal, but it's not worth the price to me. I'd really like to have a .22-220 AI that could stabilize a 75gr AMAX, maybe some day I will.
In terms on hunting performance, it's not any different than a .260, 7mm-08, or a lot of other stuff.
The only valid reason I see for anyone to "hate it" is that the shortage of H4350 still going on because of its popularity. Being tired of hearing how "superior it is" from a bunch of guys who can't hit a coke can at 100 yards is another issue, but not the cartridge's fault.
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Put a 140 Berger at 2800fps up against the Roberts and tell me the difference. Or a 147 ELD. Or a 139 Scenar. Or a 143ELD. Or a 136 Scenar...... Since my posts have had to do with "most" hunters - the vast majority of whom use factory ammo - and ranges of 300 yards or under, how about just comparing factory ammo such hunters might actually use? Using 'Point Blank' again, 50F, 7500', 300 yards, 10mph drift: 6.5 Creedmoor 3.32", Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2695fps, 24" barrel 3.76", Hornady 143g ELD, .623 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel 4.49", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 5.20", Hornady 129g IL, .445 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel 5.20", Federal 130g Berger. .560 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel? 6.00", Federal 120g Trophy Copper. .497 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel? 7.40", Federal 140g Fusion. .439 B.C. @ 2750fps, 24" barrel? .260 Rem 4.13", Hornady 130g ELD, .584 B.C. @ 2840fps, 24" barrel 4.60", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 4.68", Remington 120g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2890fps, 24" barrel? 7mm-08 4.02", Hornady 150g ELD, .574 B.C. @ 2770fps, 24" barrel 4.48", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 4.66", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 2860fps, 24" barrel? .270 Win 4.03", Hornady 145g ELD, .536 B.C. @ 2970fps, 24" barrel 4.25", Hornady 130g SST, .460 B.C. @ 3200fps, 24" barrel 4.67", Remington 130g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 3060fps, 24" barrel? .280 Remington 3.85", Hornady 150g ELD, B.C. .574 @ 2925fps, 24" barrel 4.21", Hornady 139g SST, B.C. .486 @ 3090fps, 24" barrel 4.41", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel? 7mm RM 3.41", Hornady 162 ELD, .631 B.C. @ 2940fps, 24" barrel 3.79", Remington 150g AccuTip, .530 B.C. @ 3110fps, 24" barrel? 3.82", Hornady 162 SST, .550 B.C. @ 3030fps, 24" barrel 3.85", Hornady 154 IB, .525 B.C. @ 3100fps, 24" barrel 3.93", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 3240fps, 24" barrel 4.04", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3175fps, 24" barrel? .308 Win 5.22", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel 5.26", Hornady 155g AMAX, .435 B.C. @ 2850fps, 24" barrel 5.53", Remington 165g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel? 6.20", Federal 185 Berger. .552 B.C. @ 2600fps, 24" barrel? 30-06 4.78", Hornady 80g IB, .480 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel 4.91", Hornady 165g IB, .447 B.C. @ 2960fps, 24" barrel 5.00", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3080fps, 24" barrel 5.01", Remington 150g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2725fps, 24" barrel? Granted, the Creedmoor comes in best in this list, but many of the differences are very small compared to typical kill zone sizes. And, as the list shows, hunters could easily end up worse off in terms of drift depending on which Creedmoor ammo they choose. Oh, and the comparison to my .257 Roberts handload you asked for? .257 Roberts +P handload 4.80", Nosler 110g AB, B.C. .418 B.C. @ 3163fps, 22" barrel At 300 yards it beats half the 6.5 Creedmoor factory loads in terms of drift. Because I don't like frangible match bullets for hunting, it beats all of the 6.5 Creedmoor loads I would use for that purpose.
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Put a 140 Berger at 2800fps up against the Roberts and tell me the difference. Or a 147 ELD. Or a 139 Scenar. Or a 143ELD. Or a 136 Scenar...... Since my posts have had to do with "most" hunters - the vast majority of whom use factory ammo - and ranges of 300 yards or under, how about just comparing factory ammo such hunters might actually use? Using 'Point Blank' again, 50F, 7500', 300 yards, 10mph drift: 6.5 Creedmoor 3.32", Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2695fps, 24" barrel 3.76", Hornady 143g ELD, .623 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel 4.49", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 5.20", Hornady 129g IL, .445 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel 5.20", Federal 130g Berger. .560 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel? 6.00", Federal 120g Trophy Copper. .497 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel? 7.40", Federal 140g Fusion. .439 B.C. @ 2750fps, 24" barrel? .260 Rem 4.13", Hornady 130g ELD, .584 B.C. @ 2840fps, 24" barrel 4.60", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 4.68", Remington 120g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2890fps, 24" barrel? 7mm-08 4.02", Hornady 150g ELD, .574 B.C. @ 2770fps, 24" barrel 4.48", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel 4.66", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 2860fps, 24" barrel? .270 Win 4.03", Hornady 145g ELD, .536 B.C. @ 2970fps, 24" barrel 4.25", Hornady 130g SST, .460 B.C. @ 3200fps, 24" barrel 4.67", Remington 130g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 3060fps, 24" barrel? .280 Remington 3.85", Hornady 150g ELD, B.C. .574 @ 2925fps, 24" barrel 4.21", Hornady 139g SST, B.C. .486 @ 3090fps, 24" barrel 4.41", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel? 7mm RM 3.41", Hornady 162 ELD, .631 B.C. @ 2940fps, 24" barrel 3.79", Remington 150g AccuTip, .530 B.C. @ 3110fps, 24" barrel? 3.82", Hornady 162 SST, .550 B.C. @ 3030fps, 24" barrel 3.85", Hornady 154 IB, .525 B.C. @ 3100fps, 24" barrel 3.93", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 3240fps, 24" barrel 4.04", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3175fps, 24" barrel? .308 Win 5.22", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel 5.26", Hornady 155g AMAX, .435 B.C. @ 2850fps, 24" barrel 5.53", Remington 165g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel? 6.20", Federal 185 Berger. .552 B.C. @ 2600fps, 24" barrel? 30-06 4.78", Hornady 80g IB, .480 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel 4.91", Hornady 165g IB, .447 B.C. @ 2960fps, 24" barrel 5.00", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3080fps, 24" barrel 5.01", Remington 150g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2725fps, 24" barrel? Granted, the Creedmoor comes in best in this list, but many of the differences are very small compared to typical kill zone sizes. And, as the list shows, hunters could easily end up worse off in terms of drift depending on which Creedmoor ammo they choose. Oh, and the comparison to my .257 Roberts handload you asked for? .257 Roberts +P handload 4.80", Nosler 110g AB, B.C. .418 B.C. @ 3163fps, 22" barrel At 300 yards it beats half the 6.5 Creedmoor factory loads in terms of drift. Because I don't like frangible match bullets for hunting, it beats all of the 6.5 Creedmoor loads I would use for that purpose. Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?
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Replace "most hunters" with "at distances where most game is shot" and the list means diddly dick.....
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Your numbers don't add up...
6.5 Creedmoor
4.49", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel
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4.60", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel
A bullet with the same BC launched at the same velocity will drop/drift the same...So, the 6.5 CM and .260 Rem will be exactly equal, no advantage to the Creed.
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Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?
The numbers for my Roberts, which is what I was asked to compare to, are at the bottom of my post. I don't use factory ammo for hunting. Or much of anything else.
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Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?
The numbers for my Roberts, which is what I was asked to compare to, are at the bottom of my post. I don't use factory ammo for hunting. Or much of anything else. That's fine for custom loads, but I thought the rules you set out were for "factory loads most hunters would use", so let's compare apples to apples. Factory or taylored, but both the same.
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Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?
The numbers for my Roberts, which is what I was asked to compare to, are at the bottom of my post. I don't use factory ammo for hunting. Or much of anything else. That's fine for custom loads, but I thought the rules you set out were for "factory loads most hunters would use", so let's compare apples to apples. Factory or taylored, but both the same. I provided info on a lot of factory loads. I was asked specifically to compare various bullets, some of which are probably available only in handloads, against my Roberts load. How about YOU providing the info you want?
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Where's 243 and 250ai?
As I've said, I went 6.5cm because 250ai is tougher to find a wide range of bullet choices.
PS, I hate recoil. It totally puts my neck into spasm.
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Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?
The numbers for my Roberts, which is what I was asked to compare to, are at the bottom of my post. I don't use factory ammo for hunting. Or much of anything else. That's fine for custom loads, but I thought the rules you set out were for "factory loads most hunters would use", so let's compare apples to apples. Factory or taylored, but both the same. I provided info on a lot of factory loads. I was asked specifically to compare various bullets, some of which are probably available only in handloads, against my Roberts load. How about YOU providing the info you want? Because it would look better if YOU provide the info that shows how the 6.5 out shines the 257, that's all.
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Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?
The numbers for my Roberts, which is what I was asked to compare to, are at the bottom of my post. I don't use factory ammo for hunting. Or much of anything else. That's fine for custom loads, but I thought the rules you set out were for "factory loads most hunters would use", so let's compare apples to apples. Factory or taylored, but both the same. I provided info on a lot of factory loads. I was asked specifically to compare various bullets, some of which are probably available only in handloads, against my Roberts load. How about YOU providing the info you want? Because it would look better if YOU provide the info that shows how the 6.5 out shines the 257, that's all. Seems like he want's factory loads in the Creed, against his best mythical handload in the Roberts. I'd be interested to see the best Roberts "factory loads most hunters would use" too. Otherwise he's just confirming one of the reasons the Creed is so popular; great factory ammo.
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PRS is why it's popular, like I said if they increase the velocity limits the Creedmoor will become scarce...
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So, is it suppose to be more accurate than the .260 Rem. because it sort of looks like some smaller bench rest designs? Or, is it really more accurate, about how much more accurate at say 400 yards over a .260?
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Shorter case than the 260, so you can use longer bullets in an ADL/BDL setup.
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Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?
The numbers for my Roberts, which is what I was asked to compare to, are at the bottom of my post. I don't use factory ammo for hunting. Or much of anything else. That's fine for custom loads, but I thought the rules you set out were for "factory loads most hunters would use", so let's compare apples to apples. Factory or taylored, but both the same. I provided info on a lot of factory loads. I was asked specifically to compare various bullets, some of which are probably available only in handloads, against my Roberts load. How about YOU providing the info you want? Because it would look better if YOU provide the info that shows how the 6.5 out shines the 257, that's all. You want the information, you provide it.
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Shorter case than the 260, so you can use longer bullets in an ADL/BDL setup. Yet factory rounds loaded to 2.825" OAL.....
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Because any cartridge case is just a launch pad, maybe we should talk about "preferred" calibers and why we like them as a .30/06 "is" a .300 Magnum if you stalk 150 yards closer, is it not?
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At some point they all work equally as well. "What if" is the greatest selling tool there is...
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At some point they all work equally as well. "What if" is the greatest selling tool there is... The entire insurance industry is built around "What if..." As is the entire safety industry. For someone buying a new rifle, a 6.5 Creedmoor could be a great option. For others it is mostly redundant. If I had teenagers that were hunting and wanted their own rifle, a 6.5 Creedmoor would get high consideration.
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Shorter case than the 260, so you can use longer bullets in an ADL/BDL setup. Yet factory rounds loaded to 2.825" OAL..... All the cool kids shoot Lapuas anyway, so that's a non issue here...
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So is the 6.5 CM, 260, or 6.5x47 the red headed step child?
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So is the 6.5 CM, 260, or 6.5x47 the red headed step child? The Creedmoor is running the table, and fast. The 260 is the stepchild. The x47 is a better mousetrap, but from a foreign country so it won't win.
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So is the 6.5 CM, 260, or 6.5x47 the red headed step child? The Creedmoor is running the table, and fast. The 260 is the stepchild. The x47 is a better mousetrap, but from a foreign country so it won't win. Creedmoor has great off-the-shelf ammo, and rifles from lots of manufacturers with the right twist including many entry-level options. The x47 may be better, but the Creed is on a roll. Nothing wrong with the 260 in the right platform, but it's ship has sailed.
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Just quick note about ammo. Midway lists 20 offerings for the 6.5 but "only" 17 for the .260.
Some of the 6.5 offerings have higher B.C. values, some of the .260 Rem offerings have higher velocities.
Which drifts further at 300 yards depends on which products are compared.
10 of the 6.5 offerings use a bullet I would normally choose for hunting while 12 of the .260 Rem offerings fit that bill.
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Drift value doesn't mean schit if you can't read the wind. Ooops, forgot about all the monster bucks with wind flags up their asses.
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Drift value doesn't mean schit if you can't read the wind. Ooops, forgot about all the monster bucks with wind flags up their asses.
Much ado about nothing. If you don't know how to read the wind, a bullet with less drift will serve you better.
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Drift value doesn't mean schit if you can't read the wind. Ooops, forgot about all the monster bucks with wind flags up their asses.
Much ado about nothing. If you don't know how to read the wind, a bullet with less drift will serve you better. Sounds like a job for a good and fast 6.5 then...264 winny, 26 nosler, 6.5 wby etc...
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I'm not a fan of smaller and slower for hunting. Keeping things simple has worked for me. The new sexy 6.5 is the Weatherby extended ranges don't require a Kestrel and a drop chart out to 500+ yards.
The new wonder caliber is a very nice short range deer and antelope gun if you aren't planning to twist turrets.
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I'm not a fan of smaller and slower for hunting. Keeping things simple has worked for me.
The new wonder caliber is a very nice short range deer and antelope gun if you aren't planning to twist turrets. That sounds familiar. <grin> Jerry
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"Bullets matter more than headstamps."
And the 6.5 has some sleek hunting bullets.
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I'm not a fan of smaller and slower for hunting. Keeping things simple has worked for me. The new sexy 6.5 is the Weatherby extended ranges don't require a Kestrel and a drop chart out to 500+ yards.
The new wonder caliber is a very nice short range deer and antelope gun if you aren't planning to twist turrets. You are, I assume, being facetious. Below are the numbers for the Weatherby factory ammo (130g Scirocco II) and with estimated values for a 147g Hornady ELD. For comparison, the Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor 147g ELD factory load is included. Also included, because I ran the numbers for my own enlightenment, is data for my 6.5-06AI 130g Scirocco-II handload and estimated values for a 6.5-06AI 147g ELD handload. Using 'Point Blank' again, 50F, 7500', 10mph drift, MPBR zero for 6" target (+3" max rise, 3" max drop) 300 yards ========================= 6.5 Creedmoor 4.58" drop, 3.32" drift, Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2695fps, 24" barrel 6.5-06AI 1.42" drop, 3.39" drift = Swift Scirocco II, .571 B.C. @ 3161fps, 24" barrel, handload 2.36" drop, 3.04" drift = Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2980fps, 24" barrel, estimated handload (subtracted 95fps from known 140g load) 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum 0.05" drop, 2.60" drift = Swift Scirocco II, .571 B.C. @ 3476fps, 26" barrel, factory load 0.49" drop, 2.65" drift = Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C., 3300fps, 26" barrel, estimated handload (subtracted 95fps from WBY 140g load) 500 yards ========================= 6.5 Creedmoor 36.21" drop, 9.99" drift, Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2695fps, 24" barrel 6.5-06AI 23.45" drop, 9.91" drift = Swift Scirocco II, .571 B.C. @ 3161fps, 24" barrel, handload 26.73" drop, 8.65" drift = Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2980fps, 24" barrel, estimated handload (subtracted 95fps from known 140g load) 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum 17.02" drop, 8.75" drift = Swift Scirocco II, .571 B.C. @ 3476fps, 26" barrel, factory load 19.14" drop, 7.56" drift = Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C., 3300fps, 26" barrel, estimated handload (subtracted 95fps from WBY 140g load) A couple other comparison points: A new Weatherby 6.5-300 runs from $1900 up. With the naked action, Timney trigger, action truing, bedding, PTG reamer, a custom fluted/heavy Krieger barrel, gunsmithing work by Krieger, shipping and everything else, my Interarms Mark X 6.5-06AI was about $1710 all in. A Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor can easily be had for under $400. Weatherby ammo runs $98 a box. There is lots of 6.5 Creedmoor ammo available in the $20-$30 range with some lower and some higher. Norma's 6.5 Creedmoor/130g Scirocco II ammo lists for $40 a box at Midway USA. My 6.5-06AI 130g Scirocco II loads run $28 a box if I buy new brass, $16.40 if reusing brass. (Glad I reload!) [Edited to add...] Given the recoil differences, the 6.5-300 would be my last choice for most purposes. [End edit.]
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What is your load for 110's in the Roberts?
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What is your load for 110's in the Roberts? Bear in mind that in my Ruger M77 .257 Roberts, bullets couldn't touch the lands with a stick... WW +P brass CCI 200 primer 46.5g H4350 3163fps, 22" barrel
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Wrong thread, deleted post and pout in correct one.
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Why the hate of the 6.5 creedmoor? I don't like trendy. Would rather a 243.
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First, I don't hate the creedmoor. I hate fads.
Let's say it isn't a fad and ends up on big box stores shelves everywhere.... Then,
I do think it has a ton going for it as a do all first or last gun. If you have other stuff, it's probably not any better for normal uses. If you are starting someone out or looking at a one gun hunting arsenal, it has perks over a 243 and others. I'm not even looking at long range use, which is still a niche....Realistically. Tacticool only gets you in the door at a show.
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It's a shooter's cartridge. Pure & simple. That's the reason to own it- shoot the [bleep] out of the rifle built around it.
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Not being facetious - when hunting deer and elk I want to be able to leave my overthinking brain out of the shot as much as possible - so 300 yards and closer is point and shoot. Everything farther than 350 yards is first laser range find then hold with either Z800 reticle on the 300 Weatherby or Z600 reticle with the 7mm RM on the appropriate line. Both rifles are hand load tested to match the trajectories on the reticles in hunting conditions.
I practice to 800+ yards with both rifles but have only shot one pig at 513 and 1 elk at 550 yards so my real world long range is limited compared to some posters here.
This is the "hunting rifle" forum not the - "cool new target craze wanabee sniper - ballistic coefficient is everything" forum or the 6.5 would be king.
The Weatherby 6.5 would make it point and shoot out to 400 yards on big game animals. That is a sexy 6.5 - one that makes longer shots less of an algebra problem and more of a quick hunting solution.
I'm always curious about the mathematical information and find all the ballistic stuff to be quite interesting. But it is an academic endeavor for most folks - I'm hunting to actually shoot and kill tasty animals and am quite attached to elk burgers. So I usually trust actual shooting at distances with the exact load and rifle I'll be using sitting on my fat butt and resting elbows on my knees like I usually do at ranges over 300 yards in the real world - instead of just reading the interesting ballistic BS......unlike a lot of creedmor shooters.
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What's not to like is the question. Industry support. Quality lower priced ammo? Performance? One day they will figure out the Perfect cartridge is a .277-30TC. Wait, or is it .29-30TC ? JB - which is it? Agree above - in America the 6.5x47 like the 6XC is hamstrung by ridiculous priced ammo, lack of quality more affordable brass, and few factor rifle offerings. If the industry did for those 2 rounds what they are for the CM line it would be a 🐴 🏁  Non-Looneys will just grab a 243, 270, or 308 and kill stuff with run of the mill ammo. Threaded thru vitals. Meanwhile I will enjoy my 264x47 No flies on an accurate 6.5
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I'm just jealous that the wonderful 260 Remington never got this kind of love. It would appear that the 6.5 Creedmoor vs the .260 Remington, is analogous to the .243 vs the 6mm Remington.
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I'm just jealous that the wonderful 260 Remington never got this kind of love. It would appear that the 6.5 Creedmore vs the .260 Remington, is analogous to the .243 vs the 6mm Remington. That thought occurs to me every time the 6.5 Creedmoor comes up. I'll stick with my 6.5-06AI for long range work but did buy a used ($295 out the door!) Savage FXP3 in .243 Win with the intent to re-barrel to 6.5 Creedmoor. Thought it would be a good rifle for my girls, who all want to steal my .257 Roberts. Made the mistake of shooting the donor and am now looking for another cheap Savage. If I find a long-action Savage first, it will be a 6.5-06 instead.
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No flies on a Savage in 243. It'll stabilize a 105 AMAX.
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No flies on a Savage in 243. It'll stabilize a 105 AMAX. Unfortunately, they are even more obsolete than the .30-06. Hornady has replaced them with the 103g ELD. B.C. .512. Might have to give them a try.
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I'm just jealous that the wonderful 260 Remington never got this kind of love. It would appear that the 6.5 Creedmoor vs the .260 Remington, is analogous to the .243 vs the 6mm Remington. Except that the 243 and 244 were introduced concurrently, with the 244 morphing into the 6mm 7 years later, while the 260 and 6.5 Creedmoor were introduced a decade apart, 1997 and 2007. Both Remington, with the 6mm, and Hornady, with the 6.5 Creedmoor, benefited from being able to assess the reasons for the relative lack of success of the 244 and 260 when they improved and then introduced the newer cartridges.
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Non-Looneys will just grab a 243, 270, or 308 and kill stuff with run of the mill ammo. Threaded thru vitals. So will a significantly large number of looneys.
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I'm just jealous that the wonderful 260 Remington never got this kind of love. It would appear that the 6.5 Creedmoor vs the .260 Remington, is analogous to the .243 vs the 6mm Remington. Except that the 243 and 244 were introduced concurrently, with the 244 morphing into the 6mm 7 years later, while the 260 and 6.5 Creedmoor were introduced a decade apart, 1997 and 2007. Both Remington, with the 6mm, and Hornady, with the 6.5 Creedmoor, benefited from being able to assess the reasons for the relative lack of success of the 244 and 260 when they improved and then introduced the newer cartridges. Analogous nevertheless. Both the .244 and .260 were introduced by Remington. Both the .243 and 6.5 Creedmoor were introduced by other companies Both the .243 and .260 were introduced wth slower twist rates than the .243 and 6.5 CM. The .244 lost the popularity contest to the .243 and the .260 is losing the race to the 6.5 CM. Remington was slow to adopt the .243 and offer it in their rifles. Remington has yet to list a 6.5 CM chambered rifle on their web pages.
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