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I have been a auto tech for many many years and they all have lemons. If it's designed and built by man it will have flaws. Find one you like and get it, you will end up putting money in any brand if you keep it long enough .

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
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Why are you ditching the Ford?


Being bought back by Ford its a lemon. It's been a nightmare
Did it have the 5.0 V-8 or echo boost engine?Just curious.

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Why are you ditching the Ford?


Being bought back by Ford its a lemon. It's been a nightmare
Did it have the 5.0 V-8 or echo boost engine?Just curious.



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I bought a new 2011 Tundra Double Cab 4x4 with the 5.7L engine in Feb of 2012. So far I have replaced the factory BFG tires at 30,000 miles. If I had it to do over again, I'd more than likely choose the Tundra, even though it is a bit dated. However, I'd give them all a serious look.


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I bought a new 2011 Tundra Double Cab 4x4 with the 5.7L engine in Feb of 2012. So far I have replaced the factory BFG tires at 30,000 miles. If I had it to do over again, I'd more than likely choose the Tundra, even though it is a bit dated. However, I'd give them all a serious look.


I am down to a Silverado or Tundra Crew Cab...both are almost the same price, the Silverado is loaded.

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Are you going to use it much off road ? If so, Chevy/GMC's get little use by the folks that live around here. Toyotas, either the Tacoma or the Tundra and the opted out Fords seem to be the picks in the 1/2 ton catagory. Even Nissan's latest are more popular than the GMC products.
I'm a Dodge Ram fan. But in the half ton's I'd go with a Tundra with their TRD Pro Package. E

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Are you going to use it much off road ? If so, Chevy/GMC's get little use by the folks that live around here. Toyotas, either the Tacoma or the Tundra and the opted out Fords seem to be the picks in the 1/2 ton catagory. Even Nissan's latest are more popular than the GMC products.
I'm a Dodge Ram fan. But in the half ton's I'd go with a Tundra with their TRD Pro Package. E


Might go that way...WIll start seriously shopping next week or so. Number one criteria is it has to be Dead Nutz reliable. I am not going to go thru a lemon law process ever again

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We have a 2012 Tundra SR5 four-door with the 6 1/2 ft bed and 4WD. It also has the TRD off-road package. We're well over 144K on the odometer and have done nothing to it except the scheduled service. We replaced the OEM tires at about 25K and are on our second set of Hankook DynaPro ATMs. I did trash the front skid plate 2 1/2 years ago, but that was my fault, not any failure of the truck. Living in the middle of nowhere, most of our miles are highway miles, but we do a lot of off-roading on BLM and National Forest roads, as well as on unimproved ranch roads and two-tracks.

If you want a truck that will last 8 years, I would strongly recommend that you look at the Tundra. Before we bought the Tundra we had a Tacoma 4WD on which we put over 248K miles over an eight year period. Other than scheduled maintenance, we only replaced the center CV joint in the rear drive shaft at a little over 100K miles because it was a little loose. It was still running like a watch when we sold it. (The trucks overlapped for about 3 years before we bought a Mercury Sable for a road car.)


I have similar experience. My '08 Tundra TRD was bulletproof. I had almost 130k on it when it was totaled two weeks ago. I took my settlement and bought another '08 Tundra TRD with 113k on it. IMO, they are great pick-ups.

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter

Toyotas are not exactly given away and are more expensive then the big 3 generally. That said they hold their value better . Toyota IMHO has taken a dip in quality and noticeably so.


I haven't found the tundra to be as expensive as a comparably equipped truck from the big 3. I've got a 2016 tundra and have had no problems as I would expect from a toyota. Between my (ex)wife and myself we've had three camry's and over 600,000 miles the sum total of the unscheduled maintenance on them has been one wheel bearing that went out at 160,000 miles on one of the. Given my experience you won't convince me that toyota's quality isn't light years ahead of anything GM, Ford, or Chrysler makes.

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Toyotas are not exactly given away and are more expensive then the big 3 generally. That said they hold their value better . Toyota IMHO has taken a dip in quality and noticeably so.


I haven't found the tundra to be as expensive as a comparably equipped truck from the big 3. I've got a 2016 tundra and have had no problems as I would expect from a toyota. Between my (ex)wife and myself we've had three camry's and over 600,000 miles the sum total of the unscheduled maintenance on them has been one wheel bearing that went out at 160,000 miles on one of the. Given my experience you won't convince me that toyota's quality isn't light years ahead of anything GM, Ford, or Chrysler makes.


Overall going to be a much more reliable vehicle then the other three. That said the fit and finish and materials are way cheaper then they used to be. I have been buying vehicles from Toyota and Honda for years with no complaints other then my sons Tacoma which is borderline. Tundra is right up there with final price out the door compared to the other 3.

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Ive had a hankering to downsize to a half ton from a 3/4 ton lately and I can tell you from an unbiased view (don't favor any brand more than the next) truck shopping, the new 2017 F150 3.5 Eco wins hands down compared to the rest in fun factor, efficiency, price and options. Tundra......outdated and expensive as well as thirsty. Ram 1500......doesn't have a Cummins in it! Chevrolet.....boring.

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Why would you downsize from a 3/4 ton?

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Today I went to a Dealer that sells multiple brands of vehicles. He had the exact Tundra and Silverado LT 1500 I had been looking at the past few weeks . He had a pretty good hill not far from the dealership and while not a tell all on performance it gave me a chance to see how well each would accelerate up a steep grade.

The Tundra was very truck like and its resulting ride, engine pulled smoothly up the very steep hill.

The Silverado was very smooth riding and the seats were exquisite as were the controls and dash layout. Going up the very steep hill the tranny was shifting a bit , that ecotec engine is a really bad idea, it felt like a rubber band.

The Chevy had a little more equip then the Tundra but not anything I would miss. It was a very tough decision so I took my wife to lunch and thought about it some more and decided on the Tundra. All in all they were both very nice trucks and I was glad to have the opportunity to drive both without going to the hassle of dealing with multiple car dealerships.

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I have an 09 F150 that I like quite a bit, but I had to rent a truck last week when I was doing some stuff on my land in Montana and they gave me a new Tundra. It was a pretty basic version of the Tundra and had the smaller V8 (I think 4.6), 4x4. I spent a lot of time either off road or hauling stuff from Helena to my cabin in the woods about 65 miles from Helena.

This is obviously very unscientific, but a few things about the Tundra stood out compared to my F150.

On the positive side, the ride on road was much smoother and it was plenty capable off road.

On the negative side, that 4.6 engine was not up to the job. It felt gutless on the highway, even unloaded, and got horrible mileage (worse than my F150). Something like 14 mpg overall. For a new vehicle (it had only 4000 miles on it) it was already starting to show quality issues-the rear doors would unlock randomly, the backup camera didn't always work when the truck was put in reverse and the seats felt like they had no padding.

It wasn't a bad truck at all, but if you're going Tundra I think the 4.6 is a bad move. Everything I've heard about the 5.7 engine makes it sound like you don't take a MPG hit by going with the bigger engine but you get much better power.


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I have an 09 F150 that I like quite a bit, but I had to rent a truck last week when I was doing some stuff on my land in Montana and they gave me a new Tundra. It was a pretty basic version of the Tundra and had the smaller V8 (I think 4.6), 4x4. I spent a lot of time either off road or hauling stuff from Helena to my cabin in the woods about 65 miles from Helena.

This is obviously very unscientific, but a few things about the Tundra stood out compared to my F150.

On the positive side, the ride on road was much smoother and it was plenty capable off road.

On the negative side, that 4.6 engine was not up to the job. It felt gutless on the highway, even unloaded, and got horrible mileage (worse than my F150). Something like 14 mpg overall. For a new vehicle (it had only 4000 miles on it) it was already starting to show quality issues-the rear doors would unlock randomly, the backup camera didn't always work when the truck was put in reverse and the seats felt like they had no padding.

It wasn't a bad truck at all, but if you're going Tundra I think the 4.6 is a bad move. Everything I've heard about the 5.7 engine makes it sound like you don't take a MPG hit by going with the bigger engine but you get much better power.


I have a friend that owns a 4.6 Tundra and raves about it FWIW, he lives outside of State College PA. He used to won Fords in fact that is all he ever owned until the Toyota


I had numerous cosmetic and just plain stupid QC issues with my 2016 F150. I had 2 interior panels( steering wheel surround and bottom of glove box panel) flat out loosen up and one fell on the passenger floor. The coup de etat was the vacumn leak which an engineer from Dearborn could not figure out. Until they replace the vacumn line system any F150 is going to potentially have the issue mine had maybe not to the same degree hopefully. I had both intake manifolds,hubs,IWE's, front axles, 2 ecm units, vacumn box, vacumn pump replaced in an effort to figure it out. They took a vacumn line from a truck that worked. If a manufacturer cannot fix a problem like this then they need to be flogged. The POS truck had 6500 on the odo.


The fit and finish on my Tundra is among the best I have seen in a long while. Toyotas might not match 80's stuff but they are superior to anything I drove in when comparing vehicles.

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