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#11767746 - 01/24/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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About the case print revision, and reamer revision..

About the hydraulic forming die setup we made, for 375 HE,

Saves a lot of time and powder, and gets them to chamber size.

The cases we and others necked to 375 had kind of what is called

small love handles or donut, at the shoulder. If we tried holding it

all in at the shoulder, case too thick there when looked at

by sectioning case . Even when we sectioned them to check

after firing, But doing them in the hydraulic die, which is adjustable,

with debth changes in the die, we was able to get shoulder looking right, by stretching

out the donut, and shoulder forward, gained .020" length to shoulder, so

made our test gun chamber longer to match, leaving belt step in same place,

from base to shoulder to match, after firing, were better at the shoulder when sectioned,

IE looked better on the inside of case sides to shoulder corner,

and that is how we got the revision for reamer figured out best.

Then got all reamer prints at Manson, PTG, JGS, to match.

Case forming easier, proportions better, little more volume.

Our hydro die, we made adjustable base, made things lot easier.

In essence an adjustable chamber.. Ed


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#11793156 - 02/02/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Got guys getting excited including family,on 416, so making up 416 cases for

it already and doing final 416 HE, reamer print, have an action ready ,

already have a 416 test barrel here to check it in, when they put it in the

action in few days, and will be load and speed testing when cold spell breaks.


Please check this out, a new real long range shoot planned for

this summer in South Texas. Ed



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#11823086 - 02/13/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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After bunch of 416 HEs done will do some 408 HEs for guys, will have hydro die also to get accurate specs and have them at reamer makers. 416 HE 202 gr. capacity..Getting interesting reaming out CTs..Ed Hubel


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#11832046 - 02/16/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Here is picture, couple of our 375HE cases with a little 378 WEA

on the left, our first cases middle has 330gr, other is 400 gr,Ed

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#11843862 - 02/21/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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A picture of our 375 HE hydro die.

We use it on lathe bed, we give rod a dozen hits.

Base is adjustable, which great aid in getting best case results. Ed..

[Linked Image]


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Picture of the 416 HE target case, these run through

the hydro-die, test gun done, testing soon, to confirm specs.Ed

[Linked Image]


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#11892194 - 03/11/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases
necked, 2 on left, and then formed in hydro die... Ed

[Linked Image]


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#11915852 - 03/21/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left.
Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, ac long one pictured.
Holds 280 gr ball powder under bullet. The
3.6" case can hold about 250gr under bullet.. In picture,
1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 He, 4th 378 WEA.

416 HSM will get 400gr to 4000 without needing BMG action,
470 gr 3700, it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416..
Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel
to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and be under 50 lbs. Ed

[Linked Image]


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#11934079 - 03/28/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE
He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, ,
Going to do more cases for these 2 sizes, Ed
PM or email. ph 989-644-5228.. Here are specs for 416 HE.


Length 3.32", belt diameter ,655", base dia .635" ,
length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed


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#11950859 - 04/05/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Our 416 HSM will have about 25gr more capacity than regular

50bmg, and as for actions if you add up the fat bolt non-bmg

actions, with .750"- .800" bolts, there are about a dozen, some priced

pretty reasonable.

For 416 HSM we can use a EU made primer I have some of, that

is tamed down a little for smoother ignition, and its cup is harder

than CCI 35s , so we can go quite high pressures. Rigging up

hydraulics on my huge press for easier case shaping.

When few cases fireformed we'll have exact specs for reamer guys.Ed


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#11970149 - 04/13/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Tonopah, NV 2-Mile Match Aug 24 - 26, 2017

The Tonopah 2-mile match is official and going forward.
Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd)
Got info from LRO site,

The Course of Fire is done and appears below. Couple of main points:
ranges 1,300, 1,600, 1,900, 2,200, 2,500, 2,800, 3,100, and 3,525.
The site is virtually flat, so slope is not an issue.....50 lb. maximum for rifles

NO weight limit for gear, but you and your team need to be able to move
it up onto the line in 2 - 3 minutes.No real limit to how the rifle is supported
(front rest is ok, so are bipods and/or, tripods) so are portable shooting tables.
You are allowed to obtain a site zero the day before the match starts,
all targets are all 36" x 36"


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#11995172 - 04/24/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Here is picture of 416 HSM fireformed once,
next to bmg case we make it from and as we
improve wildcatting process next few weeks
some specs may make small changes, now from
base to shoulder is 3.45", case 3.97" long. Ed..


[Linked Image]


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#11995302 - 04/24/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Super cool! Is the rim on the 416 HSM turned down?

#11997729 - 04/25/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Both rim and base is smaller than bmg,

and rim is .010" smaller than base, just that

way to assist in shaping and wildcatting case.

Rim .730" and base .740" tentatively..Ed


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#12022202 - 05/09/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original

BMG case they are formed from, on the right , to show that we still have

enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,

in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting

and forming work set up so we can do couple hundred a month.

We still have thousands of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs,,Ed


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#12047138 - 05/22/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Here is comparison of our 416 target cases, 1st is 416 HE, which we have a whole bunch of.
Second is a model of what I'd have Bruce make on his medium machine, if I could, the
416 HE Long. Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting
bmg cases, If I could for target use I'd also make 375 HE longer.. Ed..

[Linked Image]


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#12075730 - 06/06/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles using Paul
Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal Precision in
375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very similiar to 375HE )...
It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide.

I understand that there was 2-3 times as many guys wanting
to try the 2 mile shoot at Whittington than there was openings for.
So check out Tonopah, NV 2-Mile Match Aug 24 - 26, 2017
Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd).. Ed


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Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards,

this weekend at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.

A great accomplishment at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge. Ed


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About 2 mile military sniper shot kill of Isis soldier
in Iraq that is the latest news...

By Paul Philips, from FB...

In response to the latest amazing 2.1 mile Canadian Armed forces
sniper shot in question, A lot of my friends have been asking
if this is possible or not.

If there are any doubters out there?!

There will be many events in the USA where you can come watch 1-2 mile
shots. Visit ELR Central, FB, for more Information. The science of
accuracy and improvement of rifle components have made this possible.

Below is a photo of a 17x22 inch consecutive 3 shot group @ 2.05 miles
made with my 375 Lethal Mag. Bryan Litz on the trigger and
Emil Praslick on the wind.

In the other photo, these 3 impacts were made by fellow team mates
Mitchell Fitzpatrick, Derek Rodgers and Bryan Litz. Emil Praslick
and Paul Phillips on the wind. All three impacts were made with only
3 rounds each. So within 3 rounds for three shooters in a row we were
able to make impacts on a 36 inch plate (1 moa) at 2 miles or 3613 yards.

The purpose behind our research is to help improve technology
and increase our hit % at extreme ranges. This will help save
lives and bring our troops home safely.

Semper - Fi !!

Picture of Paul's Gun. Mitch also holding it with him.
Mitch was last years 2 mile shoot winnerm and Mitch's shop
built Paul's big gun..Ed

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Getting close at that range on a human is skill. Hitting is a luck factor.


We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
#12143150 - 07/13/17 Re: King Of 2 Miles.. [Re: hubel458]  
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The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one,

has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture,

on the right, we fired a case twice, capacity is 320gr.. Ed..


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Shooters now are talking more; short, fat cases sticking, pockets not lasting as expected.
Trying to get best speeds the things raising pressures are bad case proportions, too fast of
powders, and the debth of the bullet into the powder space, as shown in the picture below..
My 375, 416, etc testing loaded like bottom one, in longer freebore....Ed.

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Here is case measurements for our 416 HE target case
made from our 585 HE big belted case. Ed

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Here is picture of 375 HE left, 416 HE next, 416 HSM right..

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Here, tentative specs, 416 HSM case we are doing from bmg brass,

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A 375 HE, with Lawton action, bunch being done with those .....

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