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Naw. The perfect 10 is the old 1006 Smith. Very accurate, soft shooting, built from the ground up as a 10mm, not a .45 ACP. Will handle anything, even lead semi wadcutters. E Your right. I have a S&W 1006. Love it. But the Delta spends a lot more time on my hip than the S&W. The Delta is a fine looking pistol Gibby, no doubt! Yes, when your around other knowledgeable gun enthusiasts, they always comment how they admire the Delta Elite. With the 1006, they ask-"you want to sell that gun to me?" . Everybody that owns one, keeps them. Don't see too many for sell, except in estate sales. At least around here.
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See a few old Smith semi-autos pretty frequently in my pawn shop hops down here. Saw a very nice 3913 the other day for $400.
Every now and then will see a .45 ACP version. Have not to my recollection ever seen a 1006 in the case.
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I realize you said you wanted a 1911/2011, but have you looked at the EAA Witness line of 10mm pistols? They might be worth a look. +1 10-4, someone here offered to sell me a Witness sometime back, IIRC it was MadMooner or Bearcat, guess I'm too damn traditional in the looks department. The Witness is a CZ75 type frame. I like it. Mine is reliable and accurate. But I do understand about the 1911 style thing. Had I been rich, I'd have bought the Dan Wesson.
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Have thought about that too, will need to throw up a couple pistols with a Bar-sto sight to see if they come to my eye as quick as a Novak or Heinie style. BoMar...BarSto is the barrel maker... BoMar is out of business but there are lots of companies making clones... Bpb
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Have thought about that too, will need to throw up a couple pistols with a Bar-sto sight to see if they come to my eye as quick as a Novak or Heinie style. BoMar...BarSto is the barrel maker... BoMar is out of business but there are lots of companies making clones... Bpb UGG, Thanks, that's why a pistol greenhorn like me comes here asking questions, too easy for me to get component manufacturers mixed up. 
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LD and Gibby, if the old Smiths had more capacity they could always have a spot in the safe made for them as well.
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I realize you said you wanted a 1911/2011, but have you looked at the EAA Witness line of 10mm pistols? They might be worth a look. +1 10-4, someone here offered to sell me a Witness sometime back, IIRC it was MadMooner or Bearcat, guess I'm too damn traditional in the looks department. The Witness is a CZ75 type frame. I like it. Mine is reliable and accurate. But I do understand about the 1911 style thing. Had I been rich, I'd have bought the Dan Wesson. The DW Valor is biting hard right now Wyogal, and it's available, one could be on this farm blowing powder smoke this Tuesday. 
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I realize you said you wanted a 1911/2011, but have you looked at the EAA Witness line of 10mm pistols? They might be worth a look. +1 10-4, someone here offered to sell me a Witness sometime back, IIRC it was MadMooner or Bearcat, guess I'm too damn traditional in the looks department. The Witness is a CZ75 type frame. I like it. Mine is reliable and accurate. But I do understand about the 1911 style thing. Had I been rich, I'd have bought the Dan Wesson. The DW Valor is biting hard right now Wyogal, and it's available, one could be on this farm blowing powder smoke this Tuesday. What about the DW titan?
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The Colt is nice, but lacking many things I'd like to have for on a carry 10mm pistol.
Oheremicus, a lot of truth in that, have heard the old Smith's were built like a tank, remember seeing one in the classifieds here that sold for a little over 600 bucks. Other than the perceived need by some for a ramped barrel, what does a new delta lack?
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The Colt is nice, but lacking many things I'd like to have for on a carry 10mm pistol.
Oheremicus, a lot of truth in that, have heard the old Smith's were built like a tank, remember seeing one in the classifieds here that sold for a little over 600 bucks. Other than the perceived need by some for a ramped barrel, what does a new delta lack? Funny you mentioned the perceived need for a ramped barrel. While I was waiting to get my Delta years back, I heard about the Colts not having good support for the 10mm case. I bought a Redding push through sizing die to remove the smiley in the fired round. I have shot thousands of hot rounds using Starline brass through the Delta. Never had to use the Redding die. Keep it at or under SAAMI and there will be no problem.
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That's why I used the word perceived. I don't think they need a ramped barrel unless you want to go well above book max, and the current delta comes with Novaks, a beavertail, extended thumb safety, dual recoil spring setup, and even comes in a rail version if that tickles your fancy. They look pretty good to me.
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If you consider the Delta, then how about the Sig 10?
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That's why I used the word perceived. I don't think they need a ramped barrel unless you want to go well above book max, and the current delta comes with Novaks, a beavertail, extended thumb safety, dual recoil spring setup, and even comes in a rail version if that tickles your fancy. They look pretty good to me. There's no denying that a stock Delta simply will not handle hot loads as well as other better set up 10mm, whether 1911, Glock, or Witness. It's more than just "perceived", if you've shot many full power 10mm loads through them.
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I saw that and even conducted a bit of experimentation here, 10mm ammo will load and function just fine in 1911 45 ACP mags.
A Para P14 or P16 could make a fine conversion, would have to research the Para brand for quality, [metallurgical makeup] toughness, accuracy and reliability.
The P16 will run 10mm pretty well, for a while. In my experience the cast slides and frames don't stand up well to a steady diet of hot 10mm long term, but are fine if you're using mostly moderate loads and occasional heavy loads. For a handloader's-only proposition, you can also achieve the same goal with the stock .40 barrel throated long, to seat bullets out to 10mm OAL. That only works for heavier bullets though, 180gr and up. ![[Linked Image]](http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/zthang43/Bang/IMG_4546a.jpg)
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WTH, The Titan has a rail, don't need it in a 1911 carry piece.
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The Colt is nice, but lacking many things I'd like to have for on a carry 10mm pistol.
Oheremicus, a lot of truth in that, have heard the old Smith's were built like a tank, remember seeing one in the classifieds here that sold for a little over 600 bucks. Other than the perceived need by some for a ramped barrel, what does a new delta lack? Double stack Checkering front and rear Night Sights And 86 the plastic parts.
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If you consider the Delta, then how about the Sig 10? Sig 1911 10mm wears a big rail too, were I to go single stack, it'd be a DW Valor bar none.
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That's why I used the word perceived. I don't think they need a ramped barrel unless you want to go well above book max, and the current delta comes with Novaks, a beavertail, extended thumb safety, dual recoil spring setup, and even comes in a rail version if that tickles your fancy. They look pretty good to me. There's no denying that a stock Delta simply will not handle hot loads as well as other better set up 10mm, whether 1911, Glock, or Witness. It's more than just "perceived", if you've shot many full power 10mm loads through them. Yup, and since I shoot 200 grain bullets at 1050 fps in my Sig P226 40, a 10mm owned by me will be ran full throttle.
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I saw that and even conducted a bit of experimentation here, 10mm ammo will load and function just fine in 1911 45 ACP mags.
A Para P14 or P16 could make a fine conversion, would have to research the Para brand for quality, [metallurgical makeup] toughness, accuracy and reliability.
The P16 will run 10mm pretty well, for a while. In my experience the cast slides and frames don't stand up well to a steady diet of hot 10mm long term, but are fine if you're using mostly moderate loads and occasional heavy loads. For a handloader's-only proposition, you can also achieve the same goal with the stock .40 barrel throated long, to seat bullets out to 10mm OAL. That only works for heavier bullets though, 180gr and up. Agreed, forged is where I need to stay with a good 1911 10mm, what's the saying, buy once, cry once, may as well go durable.
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That's why I used the word perceived. I don't think they need a ramped barrel unless you want to go well above book max, and the current delta comes with Novaks, a beavertail, extended thumb safety, dual recoil spring setup, and even comes in a rail version if that tickles your fancy. They look pretty good to me. There's no denying that a stock Delta simply will not handle hot loads as well as other better set up 10mm, whether 1911, Glock, or Witness. It's more than just "perceived", if you've shot many full power 10mm loads through them. Yup, and since I shoot 200 grain bullets at 1050 fps in my Sig P226 40, a 10mm owned by me will be ran full throttle. gunner, I'd be appalled at anything less. 
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