|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238 |
I cannot find my perfect production 10mm pistol, looks like I may have to go custom, tried really hard to avoid the wait.
Trump Won!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 27,748
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 27,748 |
I need to get to a range with a Glock long slide. The Kimber 10mm is a pretty nice production gun. If it were only a pre Schwartz style safety. I'd like to get my hands on a Dan Wesson (CZ)1911 10mm.
Last edited by alwaysoutdoors; 04/18/17.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238 |
10-4 AO, I've looked over those you mentioned as well.
I need:
2011/1911 platform
Ramped barrel
Double stack
5" or Commander length
No ambi
Novak or Heinie style adjustable night sights
Rear serrations only
Flat checkered mainspring housing
Checkered front strap
Extended beavertail grip
NO full dust cover or rail needed
Trump Won!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 2,180
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 2,180 |
Pretty happy with my glock 20.
I changed the barrel and put better sights on it. I absolutely love it andnwill probably get a 2nd one.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238 |
Have heard a lot of good about the Glock 10's APD, I have a P226 in 40 for my composite carry piece, damn near let a salesman Bud of mine talk me into a RIA 10mm this afternoon ;]
It's got nearly everything I'm looking for save a good rear adjustable night sight, plus the magwell needs trimming down a little for a CCW.
Am not convinced of reliability of the brand yet.
Trump Won!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 12,022
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 12,022 |
Gunner,
I carried S&W, Colt and Para Ordnance on duty before I got my hands on a Glock 20. I still have that same Gen 2 Glock 20. I also have a Glock 40 that has a Bar-Sto gunsmith-fitted barrel in it. Between the two of them, the only time there is a malfunction is a misfire due to substandard ammunition. Right now, chambered and in the mag I carry Underwood Extreme Defenders (15 gr @ 1700 fps), and have two mags full of Underwood Extreme Penetrators (140 gr @ 1500). I keep them slung on an old gun belt by my bed.
One penetration test Underwood performed with the Extreme Penetrators had the bullet penetrate two, 1" thick panes of bullet resistant glass, 4 gallon jugs full of water and it left a pocket in the concrete wall that stopped it.
Turds more and more are picking up bullet resistant vests. The vest would stop the Defenders. I don't believe it would stop the Penetrators.
Or, at home, I could just use my AR-10 with specific projectiles to minimize the over penetration.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,461
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,461 |
Gunner500
I realize you said you wanted a 1911/2011, but have you looked at the EAA Witness line of 10mm pistols? They might be worth a look.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 18,293
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 18,293 |
the double stack thing is indeed hard to find for a 10mm 1911. I would go G40 before I got a RIA, but I generally avoid products you read about where fluff and buff or flying front sights or self destructed stuff is posted.... I surely hate the glock triggers for target work and I have tried a lot of replacement triggers that did not help that much, but the damn things work all the time. If glock made a G40 with a 1911 trigger in it and an external swipe down safety I would be standing in line to get it, hang the price.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,068
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,068 |
Gunner500
I realize you said you wanted a 1911/2011, but have you looked at the EAA Witness line of 10mm pistols? They might be worth a look. +1
Writing from the gateway to the great BluMtns in southeastern Washington.
Just remember, "You are the trailer park and I am the tornado". Beth Dutton, Yellowstone.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,920
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,920 |
For a commercial gun this is about the closest there is... http://armscor.com/firearms/rock-series/rock-ultra-fs-hc-10mm/I have one just like it single-stack and was shooting it Monday...palm size group at 23 yards with 1250 fps loads...is every bit as accurate as the 10s I have costing twice as much... I don't care for the safety but that is easily replaced... But if you have to have everything on you list custom is he way to go... Just wondering why a double-stack...going to be heavy with 16 rounds on board.... Bob
If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 54,284
Campfire Kahuna
|
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 54,284 |
Have heard a lot of good about the Glock 10's APD, I have a P226 in 40 for my composite carry piece, damn near let a salesman Bud of mine talk me into a RIA 10mm this afternoon ;]
It's got nearly everything I'm looking for save a good rear adjustable night sight, plus the magwell needs trimming down a little for a CCW.
Am not convinced of reliability of the brand yet. Scott carries his every day, the last I knew. Calls it "Old Chocolate" because Bricktop kept knocking it saying they were made of soft steel-which I think has been disproven. His is a .45.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,271
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,271 |
I have one of the RIA's in 9mm/.22 TCM, and it seems to be well made. The .22 TCM has plenty of quirks, but that's a different story  As far as a double stack 1911 in 10mm, that's a tough one as STI does not list 10mm as an option in their double stacks. Caspian does sell DS receivers, including titanium: https://www.caspianarms.com/product-category/double-stackand you could do cool things like get a Damascus slide for it But there will be lead time to obtain the parts and get them fitted. In single stack 10mm 1911's today, I'd take a hard look at Dan Wesson's Silverback series. If money is no object Nighthawk makes some wonderful 10mm's. Colt is offering Delta Elites now with frame rails, but AFAIK they don't have fully supported barrels, which limits how heavy you can load.
"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,271
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 22,271 |
I notice there is now a company making double stack 1911's in Texas: www.triarcsystems.com
"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,850
Campfire Tracker
|
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,850 |
The primary limiting factor to the breech pressure attained in the 10mm is not the standard (i.e., unramped) barrel, but rather the case construction.
Remember that the 9x23 Win (55K PSI) was successfully produced in the standard Colt 1911 GM without a ramped barrel. No blowups as far as I know, but a suitably constructed case.
Last edited by Wildcatter264; 04/20/17.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty of give me death! P. Henry
Deus vult!
Rhodesians all now
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 14,653
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 14,653 |
I met the owner of Triarc a few weeks ago. He seemed like the real deal. I looked their ARs over and talked to the guys who run them hard and they're GTG. But building an AR is a far cry from getting a 2011 to run right. I hope they've worked the bugs out ahead of time. It's easy to get a bad name from first impressions.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 18,293
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 18,293 |
does the Rock Island 10 mm have a fully supported chamber? If you want to roll the dice $1300 dollars for this...... 17 rounds I would have to get rid of the funkass fiber optic front sight and put something with sharp edges in there. review of the gun
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,875
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,875 |
A Dan Wesson Valor 10mm is what I'd buy. It doesn't quite meet your requirements, no ramp or double stack, but they're as nice as a production pistol can get. I have a Valor Commander in 45 ACP and it's one fine pistol.
Last edited by 257Deland; 04/20/17.
Retired and Loving It!!
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,920
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,920 |
The RIA is ramped....
The FO front sight works well for "old eyes"... One day I would like to change it out for the TruGlo TFX...
If anyone is looking for a long slide 10mm, Kittery Trading Post, Kittery, Maine has five Remington Hunters...they were demo guns...LNIB for $895.00... Going price is about $1050.
If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238 |
Gunner,
I carried S&W, Colt and Para Ordnance on duty before I got my hands on a Glock 20. I still have that same Gen 2 Glock 20. I also have a Glock 40 that has a Bar-Sto gunsmith-fitted barrel in it. Between the two of them, the only time there is a malfunction is a misfire due to substandard ammunition. Right now, chambered and in the mag I carry Underwood Extreme Defenders (15 gr @ 1700 fps), and have two mags full of Underwood Extreme Penetrators (140 gr @ 1500). I keep them slung on an old gun belt by my bed.
One penetration test Underwood performed with the Extreme Penetrators had the bullet penetrate two, 1" thick panes of bullet resistant glass, 4 gallon jugs full of water and it left a pocket in the concrete wall that stopped it.
Turds more and more are picking up bullet resistant vests. The vest would stop the Defenders. I don't believe it would stop the Penetrators.
Or, at home, I could just use my AR-10 with specific projectiles to minimize the over penetration. MD, yes, with that ammo you'll have to politely request that the crackhead move over in front of that bulldozer please! I've thought alot about the Glock-Bar-Sto/Lone Wolf pairings.
Trump Won!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,238 |
Gunner500
I realize you said you wanted a 1911/2011, but have you looked at the EAA Witness line of 10mm pistols? They might be worth a look. +1 10-4, someone here offered to sell me a Witness sometime back, IIRC it was MadMooner or Bearcat, guess I'm too damn traditional in the looks department.
Trump Won!
|
|
|
|
|
336 members (1lesfox, 160user, 12344mag, 10gaugemag, 10Glocks, 01Foreman400, 32 invisible),
1,514
guests, and
1,052
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,190,225
Posts18,447,643
Members73,899
| |
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|
![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/qMjL6f8C/27-FD3-F35-D9-CF-4-FC0-AE24-D01508-F7-AF1-C.gif)
