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#11985536 - 04/20/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Cariboujack]  
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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
.... All we can do is still pray.


If the fellow was unfortunate enough to be taken by a big lizard,
praying aint going to change his already determined fate or the DNA results.

And wouldn't it be better to pray that something bad doesn't happen before it happens ,
rather than praying after fearing something bad has likely happened?..why leave it so late?
wasn't your God there to help you even before one sets out for a day of mishap or tragedy?

Funny how people pray to God, but then say its the gun they carry out of camp
thats going to save their bacon. Rest assured a croc can be far quicker out of the water
than any man with a gun hanging around on the bank.


Originally Posted by Cariboujack
Ican't imagine how this could happen, except I understand crocs can run upwards of 20 MPH on dry ground.
Who knows maybe one came up behind him or more than one.


Or maybe the fellow became complacent and went too close to the waters edge, which is the overwhelming usual scenario.
as far as a gang of crocs running across a strip of dry ground at 20mph to come up behind a victim to get a feed....really?

Why do people so easily ignore sensible deductive logic scenarios in favor of bizarre speculation?
why can they not accept the likelyhood a human made a fatal mistake?....even highly experienced people make fatal errors,
prime example is PH Ian Gibson who pushed his luck to then get stomped by an elephant, despite warnings by his tracker
the bull was in musth. - Poor judgement and complacency can get anyone killed...nobody knows at which future moment
they may well make such a mistake.

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I have you on ignore because you are a dipshit.


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#11987162 - 04/21/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Cariboujack]  
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To rain on someone else's parade never seems to be my first reaction or inclination. I for one will pray that his family can work their way through their grief. It may never help; but, I know it will never hurt to do so.

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#11987168 - 04/21/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Cariboujack]  
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May Scott RIP. As for the family let the healing begin.

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Scott would have been 44 on May 12. Way to young to go. Thanks for the support.


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#11987737 - 04/21/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Cariboujack]  
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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
I have you on ignore because you are a dipshit.


LoL...you will still come back and read this anyway, so...

Well just keep in mind there a not really any smart crocs just negligent careless humans.
Crocs use the same old set play that the human species has been aware of for millennia.
For anyone who happens to get taken by a croc on a river bank,one has to wonder where
their mind was at, especially so when they are far from being just a naive tourist.

People get enthralled and excited by the potential dangers of Africa,some go there to chase
it and roll the die.Then some will even load the die in favor of the threats that surround them.
If thats how one wants to play the game,then be prepared to take what comes and accept it.
To family and friends it is a loss,to the rest of the world its just another cold statistic resulting
from the perils of life and something people should heed and keep in sensible perspective.

#11987809 - 04/21/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Cariboujack]  
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Sounded like a good man. Bet he was a good hunter,a friend to many and made a positive difference in this world. Died doing a job he enjoyed in the Africa he loved.

#11988371 - 04/21/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Cariboujack]  
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#11988439 - 04/21/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Starman]  
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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Cariboujack
I have you on ignore because you are a dipshit.


LoL...you will still come back and read this anyway, so...

Well just keep in mind there a not really any smart crocs just negligent careless humans.
Crocs use the same old set play that the human species has been aware of for millennia.
For anyone who happens to get taken by a croc on a river bank,one has to wonder where
their mind was at, especially so when they are far from being just a naive tourist.

People get enthralled and excited by the potential dangers of Africa,some go there to chase
it and roll the die.Then some will even load the die in favor of the threats that surround them.
If thats how one wants to play the game,then be prepared to take what comes and accept it.
To family and friends it is a loss,to the rest of the world its just another cold statistic resulting
from the perils of life and something people should heed and keep in sensible perspective.


You're such a smart bastard. Too bad you hadn't been there with him to show him all his flaws. I have no clue who Scott even was but may he RIP.


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Mocking religious beliefs on a thread about someone dying is pretty classy. frown


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#11993275 - 04/23/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Starman]  
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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Cariboujack
.... All we can do is still pray.


If the fellow was unfortunate enough to be taken by a big lizard,
praying aint going to change his already determined fate or the DNA results.

And wouldn't it be better to pray that something bad doesn't happen before it happens ,
rather than praying after fearing something bad has likely happened?..why leave it so late?
wasn't your God there to help you even before one sets out for a day of mishap or tragedy?

Funny how people pray to God, but then say its the gun they carry out of camp
thats going to save their bacon. Rest assured a croc can be far quicker out of the water
than any man with a gun hanging around on the bank.


Originally Posted by Cariboujack
Ican't imagine how this could happen, except I understand crocs can run upwards of 20 MPH on dry ground.
Who knows maybe one came up behind him or more than one.


Or maybe the fellow became complacent and went too close to the waters edge, which is the overwhelming usual scenario.
as far as a gang of crocs running across a strip of dry ground at 20mph to come up behind a victim to get a feed....really?

Why do people so easily ignore sensible deductive logic scenarios in favor of bizarre speculation?
why can they not accept the likelyhood a human made a fatal mistake?....even highly experienced people make fatal errors,
prime example is PH Ian Gibson who pushed his luck to then get stomped by an elephant, despite warnings by his tracker
the bull was in musth. - Poor judgement and complacency can get anyone killed...nobody knows at which future moment
they may well make such a mistake.


An inane, idiotic post if there ever was one...

#11993819 - 04/24/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Cariboujack]  
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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
I have you on ignore because you are a dipshit.


You are not the only one that has that Dolt on ignore


Vladimir Putin should give him more "space" and that "[a]fter my election I have more flexibility."
#11993821 - 04/24/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: jorgeI]  
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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Cariboujack
.... All we can do is still pray.


If the fellow was unfortunate enough to be taken by a big lizard,
praying aint going to change his already determined fate or the DNA results.

And wouldn't it be better to pray that something bad doesn't happen before it happens ,
rather than praying after fearing something bad has likely happened?..why leave it so late?
wasn't your God there to help you even before one sets out for a day of mishap or tragedy?

Funny how people pray to God, but then say its the gun they carry out of camp
thats going to save their bacon. Rest assured a croc can be far quicker out of the water
than any man with a gun hanging around on the bank.


Originally Posted by Cariboujack
Ican't imagine how this could happen, except I understand crocs can run upwards of 20 MPH on dry ground.
Who knows maybe one came up behind him or more than one.


Or maybe the fellow became complacent and went too close to the waters edge, which is the overwhelming usual scenario.
as far as a gang of crocs running across a strip of dry ground at 20mph to come up behind a victim to get a feed....really?

Why do people so easily ignore sensible deductive logic scenarios in favor of bizarre speculation?
why can they not accept the likelyhood a human made a fatal mistake?....even highly experienced people make fatal errors,
prime example is PH Ian Gibson who pushed his luck to then get stomped by an elephant, despite warnings by his tracker
the bull was in musth. - Poor judgement and complacency can get anyone killed...nobody knows at which future moment
they may well make such a mistake.


An inane, idiotic post if there ever was one...


The ant I ran over this morning in my driveway has more character and wisdom then this clown.


Vladimir Putin should give him more "space" and that "[a]fter my election I have more flexibility."
#11995166 - 04/24/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: jorgeI]  
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LOL..Yet Jorge in his 'wisdom and judgement' considers alcoholics better people than pot smokers.
destructive drug abuse is acceptable as long as its a drug Jorge happens to like himself...inane is
the word jorge used I believe.. wink


Originally Posted by LowerRiver


You're such a smart bastard. Too bad you hadn't been there with him to show him all his flaws.


An adult who surely knows better but decides to stand on the bank of a croc infested river, well thats their businesss.
I'm fine with someone expressing their freewill by rolling the dice and fate taking its course. I don't get emotional like
the snowflakes here.

People are enchanted and lured by the danger of Africa and I've read for years on internet forums, hunting
safari company promos and book publications of the alpha-male tough image of pursuing and flirting with
the prospects of imminent danger...But then people become feeble and sensitive and have trouble dealing
with the fallout of cold hard reality when the game turns on those who choose to be careless and complacent.

Dipwits like to pat people on the back when they get it right and congratulate them, but fear to venture
into honest candid discussion when things go tragically wrong..infantile minds consider it a taboo subject.

To demonstrate how irrational and plain stupid people can be following a tragedy, one just need recall how
some could not bring themselves to admit that Tim Herald had a negilgent discharge with his rifle when he
shot his PH Stuart Taylor. Every belligerent sch*tbrain excuse was given by them in an attempt to cover up
the stark blatant sober truth of the matter. The same blinker fools surfaced with their belligerence when the
death of Ph Ian Gibson hit the forums...taboo subject.....Yet on other days they will personally attack forum
members incessantly , for the mistakes they dare to humbly admit to making in the hunting fields.

Originally Posted by cdb
Mocking religious beliefs on a thread about someone dying is pretty classy. frown


Obviously you believe you are entitled to that opinion, but have trouble with others having theirs.
not surprising, since the world has no shortage of hypocrites that hide behind their religion.

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Whether a person has religious beliefs or not makes no difference to me. You have no idea what I believe or don't. Your post that I commented on was mocking and crass, but of course you can't admit it.


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#11995568 - 04/24/17 Re: Scott Van Zyl SS Pro Safaris Has Gone Missing [Re: Starman]  
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Originally Posted by Starman
LOL..Yet Jorge in his 'wisdom and judgement' considers alcoholics better people than pot smokers.
destructive drug abuse is acceptable as long as its a drug Jorge happens to like himself...inane is
the word jorge used I believe.. wink


Guess we can add dope-smoker, LIAR and "spelling master" to your many other "attributes" mentioned here. Please refer to where I've said anything POSITIVE about an alcoholic, but yes, smoking dope is akin to smoking dick, take that first puff and no matter if you cure world hunger, I'm still going to call you a dicksucker..

I think you (and the rest of us) would be better off if you sucked on a Glock.

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Starman has joined Stick on ignore.


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Been here almost 10yrs and he's the first I've ever put on ignore. Never even considered anyone else in all that time.

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You folks need more compassion for each other. Scott Van Zyl was a friend to several we know and his death is a tragedy.

I have seen some really smarmy comments by non-hunters and idiots on social media about his being missing, rooting for the crocs and making other puerile remarks. We don't need that here.

BTW, when I was hunting in Zambia a while ago, we walked through a muddy patch and my PH pointed out some big croc tracks. He said that they were made by around a 13-footer.

He also said that if one that size wanted you, it could catch you and you'd have no chance at all of getting away. Something to think about.


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People talk of God and prayers in one breathe, then start a bizarre nonsensical rant about their homosexual thoughts in the next, neither of which have anything to do with a croc fatality.
But dare to talk about the actual thread topic and people get all unhinged and upset.

If people don't like the raw aspects of such human error fatalities being discussed, better not to read them or even start threads about them.


Originally Posted by Anjin

BTW, when I was hunting in Zambia a while ago, we walked through a muddy patch and my PH pointed out some big croc tracks. He said that they were made by around a 13-footer.
He also said that if one that size wanted you, it could catch you and you'd have no chance at all of getting away. Something to think about.


In the months Ive spent deep in prime croc country with natives and white locals on the land none of them ever put that kind of worry into me...the message from all of them was
the same uncomplicated common-sense " stay away from waters edge"..never any talk about being chased-down by a croc or crocs across the land, then I see here people
being quick to suggest that was the scenario in the fatality.

You are likely to get a spiced up version of reality from people you hired to host and entertain you at the camp at night or during the boring uneventful parts of your hunting day.
goes along with all the other nonsense anticipation hype talk of black mambas and DG charges. Nobody would do that unless they thought a client was an impressionable idiot
to begin with. Same type of juvenile minded people that get thrills out of reading chronic dysfunctional alcoholic Crapstick stories.

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Originally Posted by Starman

In the months Ive spent deep in prime croc country with natives and white locals.


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