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#11983966 - 04/19/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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#11984211 - 04/19/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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#11984249 - 04/19/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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Originally Posted by saddlesore
Originally Posted by tedthorn
I sent Colorado over 2k in application fees 3 weeks ago so for me to think non residents are getting by cheap.....no


I agree with you Ted.I was against the big rise in NR licenses


As a non resident of you apply for everything in New Mexico except Barbary sheep and javalina its $8000

Colorado is very reasonable for non residents

#11984289 - 04/19/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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As a resident hunter, adding up the cost of tags vs the cost of everything else, an increase doesn't bother me.

How CP&W spends the money is an entirely different subject but I have to say, I don't have enough information to comment on that so I won't.



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#11984620 - 04/20/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: smokepole]  
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Originally Posted by smokepole
As a resident hunter, adding up the cost of tags vs the cost of everything else, an increase doesn't bother me.

How CP&W spends the money is an entirely different subject but I have to say, I don't have enough information to comment on that so I won't.


I agree

#11984854 - 04/20/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: huntsonora]  
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Originally Posted by huntsonora
Originally Posted by smokepole
As a resident hunter, adding up the cost of tags vs the cost of everything else, an increase doesn't bother me.

How CP&W spends the money is an entirely different subject but I have to say, I don't have enough information to comment on that so I won't.


I agree


If it was only an increase in the tags it wouldn't be so bad, but tack another $20 for the application fee,another $5 for the Habitat Stamp( which I don't have to pay) and compound the increase of all tag fees for deer, pronghorn,elk turkey, bear, fishing, park fees ,user fees and it is a substantial hit to the pocket book.Maybe not to some but it sure is for me.Couple that with all the other small increases that the government, local,state, federal gets into the pocket book each year and I am seeing an increase of a few thousand dollars a year. Many of us will be forced to decide which big game hunts we will no longer participate in.

The CPW commissioners are appointed by the governor.Most of them are great folks, but those dozen members will decide how much/when these fee increases will take place. I am pretty sure they will be looking out for the CPW and not the consumer.

It's like the guy saying premium bullets are such a small part of the cost of the hunt,it doesn't matter. All those small parts add up.


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#11985702 - 04/20/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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They are sending 6% of their funds to other agencies. So that is probably not helping either.

I'd be very comfortable saying that any gov agency could benefit from some cost cutting initiatives. So for example. All of the residents and non-residents who sent in money for just a preference point, no desire to draw a tag at all. Why have them send in the entire amount? That is forcing the DOW to cut checks and mail all of those back out again. Send in the amount of the point only like other states are already doing.

And another. Don't send out the hundreds of thousands of paper big game brochures. I have 4 people at my place who apply for tags. Each year we get 4 big game brochures and 4 sheep and goat brochures. Make that luxury something that you have to request if you aren't capable of looking at it online. That alone would save millions between print costs and postage costs.

Its just another inept gov bureaucracy but in this case they know that instead of raising taxes, all they have to do is raise license fees and that will solve their financial incompetence for a few more years.


#11986717 - 04/20/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: 30338]  
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How much do they spend on brochures? I have no idea.



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#11986903 - 04/21/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: smokepole]  
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Originally Posted by smokepole
How much do they spend on brochures? I have no idea.


Smokepole, just another sign that the 'good old days' are fading away for some of us.


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#11987028 - 04/21/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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Montgomery Wards and Sears used to print really big catalogs back in the day. Don't see those so much anymore. I do a lot of direct mail work and those big game brochures would add up to a lot of postage funds going out the door.

No big deal, just raise fees and keep doing things the way they always have done them.

#11987067 - 04/21/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: 30338]  
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#11987096 - 04/21/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: 30338]  
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Originally Posted by 30338
I do a lot of direct mail work.....


So you're the guy responsible for all my junk mail? grin



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#11987148 - 04/21/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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Originally Posted by saddlesore

If it was only an increase in the tags it wouldn't be so bad, but tack another $20 for the application fee,another $5 for the Habitat Stamp( which I don't have to pay) and compound the increase of all tag fees for deer, pronghorn,elk turkey, bear, fishing, park fees ,user fees and it is a substantial hit to the pocket book.Maybe not to some but it sure is for me.Couple that with all the other small increases that the government, local,state, federal gets into the pocket book each year and I am seeing an increase of a few thousand dollars a year. Many of us will be forced to decide which big game hunts we will no longer participate in.

The CPW commissioners are appointed by the governor.Most of them are great folks, but those dozen members will decide how much/when these fee increases will take place. I am pretty sure they will be looking out for the CPW and not the consumer.

It's like the guy saying premium bullets are such a small part of the cost of the hunt,it doesn't matter. All those small parts add up.


I can't agree more with what you said, Saddlesore. For those of us that put in for multiple animals, that increase in application fees will add up. Put an increase on the license fees and it becomes too much. The fishermen buy one license and are done. Hunters that hunt multiple species end up footing the bill for everyone else. I think maybe CPW ought to look at cutting back to fit within the budget they have. Or else make every person that hikes our trails or enters parks or recreation areas pay a fee. Otherwise, the commissioners are going to be increasing the license and application fees every few years.

#11987283 - 04/21/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: Bighorn]  
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Raise the price, spend more, raise the price, spend more.

.gov never cuts budgets. CPW has new trucks to pay for, ya know.

Though it is funny when non residents bitch and moan like their opinion should matter.

#11987332 - 04/21/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: starsky]  
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I would like to know why CPW is in the business of owning lakes, land and such that they have to maintain.They should be administering the wildlife/fishery and the state should own that land or lake. Just like Lake Pueblo.The dam is federal I believe. Antero is owned by the city of Denver. The repair cost of some of these dams is outstanding.


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#11988606 - 04/21/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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I'm a non-resident, I will buy a bull tag, cow tag and deer tag costing me about $1500. I have a choice, pay it and hunt or don't pay it and don't hunt, I choose to pay it. The same resident tags cost around $130 dollars. Just don't tell me I'm getting a bargain!

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#11992431 - 04/23/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: starsky]  
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Originally Posted by starsky
Raise the price, spend more, raise the price, spend more.

.gov never cuts budgets. CPW has new trucks to pay for, ya know.

Though it is funny when non residents bitch and moan like their opinion should matter.


Exactly

#11993116 - 04/23/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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Anytime the wildlife division has to take the parks dept. you are garented to get hosed!! The dog walkers and joggers are a constant whimpering drain on the wildlife dept.

#11993389 - 04/23/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: Sako76]  
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Originally Posted by Sako76
I'm a non-resident, I will buy a bull tag, cow tag and deer tag costing me about $1500. I have a choice, pay it and hunt or don't pay it and don't hunt, I choose to pay it. The same resident tags cost around $130 dollars. Just don't tell me I'm getting a bargain!


I pay out of state rates too, and I think out of state residents should pay more if your hunting on STATE ground since the locals pay those taxes. What burns my butt is paying so much more for hunting the National Parks which is funded by federal taxes that I DO pay. I hate for anyone to have to pay more, but the in-state people great a great deal hunting their local federal land by comparison.

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Originally Posted by djb
Originally Posted by Sako76
I'm a non-resident, I will buy a bull tag, cow tag and deer tag costing me about $1500. I have a choice, pay it and hunt or don't pay it and don't hunt, I choose to pay it. The same resident tags cost around $130 dollars. Just don't tell me I'm getting a bargain!


I pay out of state rates too, and I think out of state residents should pay more if your hunting on STATE ground since the locals pay those taxes. What burns my butt is paying so much more for hunting the National Parks which is funded by federal taxes that I DO pay. I hate for anyone to have to pay more, but the in-state people great a great deal hunting their local federal land by comparison.


I don't know of any National Parks anyone can hunt on.Certainly not Rocky Mountain National Park or Sand Dunes.

However, that aside, the reason is the states own the wildlife ,but not the federal land. Anyone can use the federal land ,but they can't fish on it hunt it without a state license.The silly thing is hunters and fisherman must buy the Habitat stamp to hunt or fish on federal land,but all others do not.

You are paying to hunt or fish the wildlife,not to hunt or fish on federal land

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#11993512 - 04/24/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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Originally Posted by saddlesore
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Originally Posted by Sako76
I'm a non-resident, I will buy a bull tag, cow tag and deer tag costing me about $1500. I have a choice, pay it and hunt or don't pay it and don't hunt, I choose to pay it. The same resident tags cost around $130 dollars. Just don't tell me I'm getting a bargain!


I pay out of state rates too, and I think out of state residents should pay more if your hunting on STATE ground since the locals pay those taxes. What burns my butt is paying so much more for hunting the National Parks which is funded by federal taxes that I DO pay. I hate for anyone to have to pay more, but the in-state people great a great deal hunting their local federal land by comparison.


I don't know of any National Parks anyone can hunt on.Certainly not Rocky Mountain National Park or Sand Dunes.

However, that aside, the reason is the states own the wildlife ,but not the federal land. Anyone can use the federal land ,but they can't fish on it hunt it without a state license.The silly thing is hunters and fisherman must buy the Habitat stamp to hunt or fish on federal land,but all others do not.

You are paying to hunt or fish the wildlife,not to hunt or fish on federal land


I did mean National Forest not Parks. I guess it makes more sense when you explain it that way - in a legal sense. So essentially state property (elk) are trespassing on Federal land. I wonder if we should refer to them as "undocumented ungulates" grin .

It is just getting so expensive for the average working person to hunt in state, let alone out of state.

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Think about ski areas. All of them that I know about in Colorado are on federal land except maybe the lift terminals,etc. Runs on mountains are on NF lands.Folks pay billions of dollars every year to slide down them hills. Exception is the ski company leases that land for the right to put improvements on it.


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Prior CO resident here. The NR license fees are obscene enough. Raising them means that I will have reached the limit of my tolerance. Paying nearly $500 for a nil chance at a cow elk is not my idea of fun. I suppose I will draw licenses for the aggregate 35 pref. points I have and be done with CO hunting.


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#11993770 - 04/24/17 Re: CO Resident Fee increases [Re: saddlesore]  
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Saddlesore, your a great guy and I have personally received great advice and assistance from you in the past. I'm not trying to argue, but must be honest that it is frustrating that there is such a huge discrepancy paying >$600 for the same tag in-state residents pay $60 for hunting on Federal land. It has been years since I skied there, but I don't believe the resorts charge out of state clients more for their lift tickets than CO residents.

The one advantage I can see is that - I suspect - out-of-state hunters may actually have an advantage in the draws since the state will make more $ on the higher $ tags. Plus, the benefit to the local businesses (hotel, gas, grocery etc.)

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