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I am going to give ML a try this year for elk and looking to get some bullets to try. Haven't played with a ML in years and never killed an animal with one so this is a bit new! I have seen much praise for Barnes MZ and TZ bullets, but damn theyre proud of them at a buck plus a pop. I'm thinking about trying this hard cast bullet - https://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/details.php?id=65With a sabot they are about $.50 a pop and I'd shoot them in my 45 colt as well. Anyone try a similar hardcast bullet in a ML? Just thinking out loud!
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What state are you planning on hunting in?There are different regulations in different states as to what you can use
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I believe both are legal. Will dBl check.
Yep. Both legal. I'm sure either will kill an elk, more curious if a hard cast 330 grain .452 bullet would shoot well in a sabot?
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As far as chronicals I like the Lee real bullets. For elk a 54 would be nice. If I was going after elk I might still just use a prb. I'm sure a lot of mtn. men ate elk shot with those things. They pack a pretty good wallop.
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I believe both are legal. Will dBl check.
Yep. Both legal. I'm sure either will kill an elk, more curious if a hard cast 330 grain .452 bullet would shoot well in a sabot? These cast at .458 and I size them to .452, they are 312 gr and shoot pretty good in a sabot. They worked excellent on the buck I shot last fall.
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An office mate here in Oregon consistently scores on elk using a round ball in a 54. I'd venture anything that fits snugly in the barrel will suffice.
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If you want some real elk whangers I have two pkgs. of 20 of 405 gr copper plated powerbelts I'd sell. I don't know if they make those anymore. PM me if you are interested.
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Get u some Powerbeasts, before Trump outlaws Chinese imports. Powerbelts are made in the USA. Idaho.
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I am going to give ML a try this year for elk and looking to get some bullets to try. Haven't played with a ML in years and never killed an animal with one so this is a bit new! I have seen much praise for Barnes MZ and TZ bullets, but damn theyre proud of them at a buck plus a pop. I'm thinking about trying this hard cast bullet - https://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/details.php?id=65With a sabot they are about $.50 a pop and I'd shoot them in my 45 colt as well. Anyone try a similar hardcast bullet in a ML? Just thinking out loud! Rifle type, twist??
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CVA Optima. .50 cal with a 26"bbl 1-28" twist.
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If I though I had a decent chance to shoot an elk, I wouldn't worry about an extra 50 cents for the bullet.
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Agreed. I was more wondering if anyone shoots a similar hardcast bullet with a sabot. And if so, how it worked, which sabot, loads.....It'd be nice to have a cheap load to practice with.
I ordered a bunch of bullets to try including some of the Barnes MZ. When everything hits my doorstep I'll give it a go and see what does what.
Thanks!
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MadMooner,
I developed a load just for elk back in 2015 for my TC Pro Hunter.
I shot 4 different projectiles:
1. Hornady 300gr Flat point .458 cal in a MMI orange Sabot and Blackhorn 209 2. Hornady 350gr RN .458 cal in a MMI orange Sabot and Blackhorn 209 3. Speer 350gr Hotcore in .458 in a MMI orange Sabot and Blackhorn 209 4. Kodiak 350 gr RN in .458 cal in a MMI orange Sabot and Blackhorn 209
I used the Hornady's to dial in the load and settled on 83.5 grains of BH209 ( measured by weight on RCBS scale). I never chrono'd but I am pretty close to 1900 fps as the trajectory matches my 45/70 load with same bullets shot over chrono and recorded.
I dialed her in to be dead on at 100 yards, then moved back to 200 and shot from there 75% of the time. The drop was 9 inches at 200 yards. I was using a ballistics reticle and matched u which has mark ( happened to be the second one down from true crosshair. Groups at 200 were 5 inches. Plenty small enough to kill a bull elk at that distance.
Kodiaks grouped the best, Speers flew the flattest ( about 1 inch flatter), Hornadys matched Kodiaks trajectory, and groups around 7 inches. My scope is a 2.5x7x35 Burris.
I used the Kodiaks on the elk hunt and took a bull at 40 yards on the second day of the hunt, as he stood looking at me. The bullet never exited, and he had a golf ball sized hole in his sternum. I went gutless for the bone out of the meat so I never found the bullet, but I accidentally poked a hole in the lower abdomen and it literally bled thick chunky blood for the better part of 5 minutes. I can't imagine what that bullet did to the inner clockworks of that bull. From impact to where were he fell was 40 yards.
Fast forward to this fall and I used the same load, Speer Hotcores this time, to take a mature whitetail doe here in Missouri. Golf ball sized hole in and out ( broadside shot at 45 yards) and the internal damage was massive. My 9 year old daughter was with me and she had never blood trailed anything in her life and she found the deer without any problem. 30 yard death run.
I would not hesitate to use this recipe for elk again. The Kodiaks are a premium bullet made to withstand tough hide and bone. The Speers are no slouch either. They hold together well. The Hornady's are bad either and in a pinch would not feel undergunned with them.
This was a fun experiment for me. I got to shoot my Encore alot and had a lot of fun doing it.
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Agreed. I was more wondering if anyone shoots a similar hardcast bullet with a sabot. And if so, how it worked, which sabot, loads.....It'd be nice to have a cheap load to practice with.
I ordered a bunch of bullets to try including some of the Barnes MZ. When everything hits my doorstep I'll give it a go and see what does what.
Thanks! If I wasn't gonna shoot the 290 gr Barnes tipped bullets in a crush rib sabot over 150 grs of Triple 7, I'd shoot the 495 gr No Excuses bullet over 120 gr Triple 7, they load very easy, even with a fouled bore, and are extremely accurate.
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Your CVA shoots sabots best. Use a 50/45 Hornady XTP in 300gr with a Harvester sabot. It's put down plenty of elk. You never mentioned what powder you use. So I'm guessing try the XTP with around 100gr. Use +5 to 10gr (or) minus 5-10gr, to tweak the load.
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Thanks for the replies.
Rifle just arrived today, Other order of bullets is held up on a back order. Going to stop at Sportsmans Warehouse and get a few things to play with tomorrow!
Powder -I picked up a pound of 777 to try. RWS 1081 caps.
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I've been "working" with a CVA 50 caliber "pistol" - 14" barrel. Got a bunch of 320 gr and 360 gr hardcast .45's that are a little heavy for my .45 Colt loads, so I want to use them in the CVA. With 100 gr Triple Seven (2 50 gr pellets) I chronoed 1378 fps. I'm not elk hunting, but figure this load should whallop a hog!
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you can never go wring with a 308 Except when it's muzzleloader season.......
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