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The biggest gain in loading accurate ammo comes from neck sorting your brass and checking concentricity on your loaded rounds.
If you go back to those Glen Zediker articles you will see that he covers that first.
I agree with MM that deburring flash holes will probably not provide a noticible benefit in accuracy unless you have a precision match rifle.
You mentioned earlier that you have a chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining is done to extend barrel life and many believe that because the chrome plating isn't uniform throughout the bore it has a negative impact on accuracy. I don't have any CL barrels so I can't say from personal experience, however match barrels tend to be stainless steel over other types.
I saw the biggest improvement in the accuracy of my reloads after I started sorting necks and checking concentricity. If the round isn't straight and centered in the chamber, you won't get top accuracy.
Good luck with your efforts. It sounds like you are having fun and that's what counts.
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The biggest gain in loading accurate ammo comes from neck sorting your brass and checking concentricity on your loaded rounds.
If you gpo back to those Glen Zediker articles you will see that he covers that first.
I agree with MM that deburring flash holes will probably not provide a noticible benefit in accuracy unless you have a precision match rifle.
You mentioned earlier that you have a chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining is done to extend barrel life and many believe that because the chrome plating isn't uniform throughout the bore it has a negative impact on accuracy. I don't have any CL barrels so I can't say from personal experience, however match barrels tend to be stainless steel over other types.
I saw the biggest improvement in the accuracy of my reloads after I started sorting necks and checking concentricity. If the round isn't straight and centered in the chamber, you won't get top accuracy.
Good luck with your efforts. It sounds like you are having fun and that's what counts. Thanks buddy. Concentricity was the first thing I checked after loading a few rounds for this rifle. I do that with every new seater I buy. Set the die for minimal run-out. Every loaded cartridge I checked was at .002" or under... Most around .001" and slightly under... I'm not new to loading cartridges, just new to the AR scene... I have also loaded for some semi-automatic rifles too, but this is the first AR. Looking for others opinions and thoughts. I appreciate the replies so far..... Thanks buddy.. Damn, I wish I had more time in a couple weeks when I'm in Nevada. My dad is wanting me to go shooting at his range!!!!!!!!!! ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/0804121357.jpg)
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The biggest gain in loading accurate ammo comes from neck sorting your brass and checking concentricity on your loaded rounds.
If you go back to those Glen Zediker articles you will see that he covers that first.
I agree with MM that deburring flash holes will probably not provide a noticible benefit in accuracy unless you have a precision match rifle.
You mentioned earlier that you have a chrome lined barrel. Chrome lining is done to extend barrel life and many believe that because the chrome plating isn't uniform throughout the bore it has a negative impact on accuracy. I don't have any CL barrels so I can't say from personal experience, however match barrels tend to be stainless steel over other types.
I saw the biggest improvement in the accuracy of my reloads after I started sorting necks and checking concentricity. If the round isn't straight and centered in the chamber, you won't get top accuracy.
Good luck with your efforts. It sounds like you are having fun and that's what counts. For the average shooter, the negatives of chrome lines barrels are blown out of proportion. I have several, and everyone shoots lights out. Of course they were good barrels to begin with, and the lining was done by outfits that know what they are doing. Your top match barrels will not be chrome lined, but few AR's are intended for top level match use.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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24gr of TAC with the new 73gr ELD has been good.
24.5gr-25gr of RL-15 or Varget is good with the 69gr SMK.
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I like H335 because it shoots well and meters well.
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High Power Service Rifle competitor Glen Zediker has had a running series of articles sponsored by Midsouth Shooters with some good tips and information on loading accurate AR ammo, primarily for service rifle application but applicable to other types. It is basically one of his books, presented in parts. If you sign up for Midsouth's email list, they come out about twice a month. The back issues are available. A lot of it I was already doing but I have picked up a few useful tips. Here is the latest one with links to the older ones at the bottom of the article. Zediker BlogIf you can handle reading the way Zediker writes he has had some good decent info over the years.
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Oh yeah, no small base ever used on my stuff.
Case mic for sure.
69s varget, LC case, 25.5 , Varget LOVES BR-4s. Thats a load if it doesn't shoot there is a gun issue IMHO.
75 bthps 24.2 RL 15, R 7.5 in LC case.
All my other loads are specialty loads with N540 ish powder..whhich I don't give out since they are warm....
I do shoot a 60 Sierra but don't recall the load, it was surplus ball powder... similar to H380.
4895 always got to much pressure before it got to speed for me.
Other than that have not used any newer powders other than TAC. 24.2 IIIRC, LC case, 77 SMK, CCI M41? Primer.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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High Power Service Rifle competitor Glen Zediker has had a running series of articles sponsored by Midsouth Shooters with some good tips and information on loading accurate AR ammo, primarily for service rifle application but applicable to other types. It is basically one of his books, presented in parts. If you sign up for Midsouth's email list, they come out about twice a month. The back issues are available. A lot of it I was already doing but I have picked up a few useful tips. Here is the latest one with links to the older ones at the bottom of the article. Zediker BlogIf you can handle reading the way Zediker writes he has had some good decent info over the years. Im so unfortunate .... midsouth is 3 miles down the road from the house, they have lots of good chit ... in their often buying stuff but have to pay tn sales tax. Oh well.
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50gr VMax and 23.8gr of IMR 3031 works well in my RRA.
I haven't gotten around to loading the heavies for my 6, but that is next in the que for R&D.
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Thanks for the comments and suggestions guys. I appreciate it tremendously, especially the part about not using the SB sizing die. I may actually pull that one out and hide it somewhere so I never use it, even though I pulled the lock ring off of it ha ha... So now I'm loading for 2 AR's and FL sized my brass, I'll eventually get a precision MIC (bid on one on ebay), that way I'm minimally sizing my brass and working it less. As of now though I'm getting decent groups. Here's how the rifle I bought yesterday is shooting with my loads: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_1030_zpsmom1wb37.jpg) I think I'm narrowing it down to this charge wt. though: ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_1024_zpsync9ipvt.jpg) We'll see with a little more trigger time.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_1032_zpspjqgky7z.jpg)
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Thanks rost, I always appreciate your comments... I'm trying to work on it buddy. Most importantly is my unfamiliarity of shooting these gas guns. It's been a learning experience and I have a ways to go yet.. I have a few buddies that are retired USMC vets (vietnam era mostly), including a gunny Sarge from Quantico, next time at the club, I'm going to see if they can help me out with my shooting. It seems weird, but when shooting I feel like I'm questioning myself on things like how to grip the pistol grip, how solid of a cheek weld do I need? How fast should I fire the string? Then I'm forgetting about my breathing and then trying to focus on trigger control. I'm used to pulling a bolt gun in tight (no free recoil because I shoot too much big cartridge/magnum rifles) and these are a different animal..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I like H335 because it shoots well and meters well. I have an awesome load I worked up for my bolt action, using that powder and 53gr. V-max bullets. Any of you guys think that combo would work well in an AR?? I was just a little leery about using H335 because of some of the issues I've been hearing about with it being unstable. Or is that just a vicious rumor?? I love the way it meters as well. My powder measure dumps very accurate charges with the stuff..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Oh yeah, no small base ever used on my stuff.
Case mic for sure.
69s varget, LC case, 25.5 , Varget LOVES BR-4s. Thats a load if it doesn't shoot there is a gun issue IMHO.
75 bthps 24.2 RL 15, R 7.5 in LC case.
All my other loads are specialty loads with N540 ish powder..whhich I don't give out since they are warm....
I do shoot a 60 Sierra but don't recall the load, it was surplus ball powder... similar to H380.
4895 always got to much pressure before it got to speed for me.
Other than that have not used any newer powders other than TAC. 24.2 IIIRC, LC case, 77 SMK, CCI M41? Primer. Thanks rost, I'm going to be picking up some varget. It's been so long since I've used the stuff, does it meter better than RL15??? Thanks..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Thanks rost, I'm going to be picking up some varget. It's been so long since I've used the stuff, does it meter better than RL15??? Thanks..
Not Rost, but no, it does not meter better than RL-15; also, it's a bit bulkier in the case as well. RL-15 is not a great metering powder either, but easy to notice the improvement over Varget. One of the main reasons that I've gone to other alternatives as well as the fact that Varget doesn't get you to the velocity of some other powders before pressure gets higher than I want to be. MM
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Thanks MM, that is a help my friend..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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They all make an accurate load, I just defer to the ones that are easier to load. In the 308 case I am more tolerant of RL15 and Varget, just a pain in the 223.
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I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch over Varget & Re15's relatively poor metering. Those are probably the 2 winningest powders in rifle competition. If I was a betting man and we could verify it, I'd bet that between those 2 they have more wins than all other powders combined. 4895 would be the only thing even close and that's ancient history.
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Barry, that is interesting to know. Thanks for your input...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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AR Comp is the way to go to "replace" those two powders in the AR platform.
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