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This is not going to end well for the Patriots. Nope. I might be wrong, but how many of you are man enough to say maybe there is collusion in the NFL?


"Fox News reports unnamed NFL sources close to the situation confirm that Putin had operatives meet with Bill Bellichik the week before the Super Bowl, and gave him hacked copies of the Falcon's playbook. Other source have indicated that the JeffObama administration surveilled Matt Ryan all during the playoffs and intensely during the 2 weeks before the big game. James Comey, before leaving office, told a Senate Subcommittee on NFL Transparency that 'While many irregularities have been found, including film of Gronk and Putin bathing together, no intent of gay love can be found'. Georgia Governor Nathan Deal is demanding a full investigation. Senate Minority Leaders Chuck Schumer (D - A-hole) has blocked all calls for a Special Prosecutor saying that 'Although I am a Jets fan, Georgia went Red so phouc them' CNN reports that Donald Trump was photographed grabbing Giselle's ass, but sources have yet to provide the photo."

Now I'm going to have to file a PTSD claim with all this pressure!

WTF did he go? Think he sobered up yet?????????????

Matt Flynn! Good one.

Jorge- I'll dig back to the post I made with definitions of collusion etc and we'll formally make the bet, assuming you agree to the definitions etc.

Slow news day in Trumpland, which I think is a good thing for him. It's a good opportunity to further address something that seems to mystify some of you, as evidenced by multiple repeats of the same basic question, which is how did the Russians affect the election anyway? At first I was kinda disbelieving that it was a serious question but as we've conversed it's become clear to me just how far into a bubble some here are, and combined with the white-hot hatred of Hillary that had decades to ripen, I guess I can understand? Anyway, I'm just a regular dude, and it's far beyond my pay grade to understand much less explain the full effects of the Ruski interference; that'll get sorted out by academics and government commissions or whomever over the coming decades. And it's irrelevant anyway in terms of what happens next in the "fall of Trump"; the election won't be reversed or done over, nor should it be.

But I thought this story might help illuminate things for a few of you. One of the more brilliant things the Russians did, other than the fake news they managed to dupe you suckers guys with, was to greatly amplify "the emails" as a campaign negative. They did this with relentless and carefully-timed releases of hacked DNC emails; but the effect was to blur, confuse, and finally just overwhelm people with "Hillary's email problem". Remember, her REAL email problem was because she used a private server when SoS; the hacked DNC stuff was completely seperate from that and really, not a big deal to HER. But Russia succeeded in blurring it all into one big constant "the emails" stank. This article illuminates that very well:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/23/politics/clinton-email-2016/index.html

I can tell you that this had a very tangible effect on the electorate based on conversations I had with my liberal friends. By election time, most of them were voting for her anyway (but importantly-- not all!) but were just fatigued and worn down about "the emails" and quite negative towards her. This is LIBERALS. Now imagine swing voters. Take Wiki and Russia out of the equation and "the emails" mayhem would've been confined to the usual sources- the FBI, and the nutjob alt.right. The former generally plays fair in elections, generally, and the latter are easily dismissed as partisan idiots being partisan idiots (no offense, guys, just the truth), so I can say with certainty that the Russians DID effect the election, I saw it happening.

(Remember, up until the debates I was still trying to convince folks around here to at least give Trump a thoughtful listen... after he showed himself to be a joke in the debates, I gave up on THAT. But prior, I was actively engaging a number of my liberal friends; I had my finger of the pulse so to speak. )

So in my mind there are two really important reasons why it matters if the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. First, it did affect and likely SWUNG the election. Trumps margin was what, ~ 75k swing voters in 3 states? That's RAZOR thin. So, if he/they colluded, then they cheated. In America we void victories via cheating because, well, that's what honorable people DO (Bigfish, that's not you). Trump doesn't get to be POTUS if he cheated that badly. Period. Second, any members of the campaign who did so are compromised. Again, period. Mic drop. End of story. Russia has immense leverage on them. Or, to allow the benefit of the doubt, Russia WOULD have enormous leverage on them should this turn out to be the case.

If you are skeptical about my second point, ask yourselves this- Would Jorge have accepted a commander of his aircraft carrier who became commander by colluding with Russian intelligence to take out his rivals on his way up the ladder? I'll let him answer that. But if that wouldn't be ok, why would it be ok if HIS commander (the POTUS) did it?

I will educate y'all further as time allows today. This is like teaching Remedial Politics for Retards but if this is my row to hoe, so be it.

Hillary lost because she is an unlikable criminal. Russia had nothing to do with anything at all. The email handling is a big deal, and demonstrably criminal. Period. Mishandling classified material is criminal, regardless of intent. Get that through your thick skull.

Jorge- here you go. Read this and let me know if you want to clarify or change anything BEFORE we formalize the bet. Also, you originally proposed 5:1 odds. Now you say 10:1. I'll let you decide which you are currently proposing.

May I present to the class: partisan idiocy, example #1

Good lord you are as dumb as a box of rocks, If there is a retard in this thread it would be you and you basically admitted it yourself. Let me present exhibit A.

So the half wit speaks about partisan idiocy. Jell0 the average Capital murder trial including pre-trial activities is less than one man year of hours. This is to put someone to death. The Russian investigation has been going on for over 9 months with at a minimum of 3 different groups investigating with the unlimited power and money of the Fed and they have squat. FBI, CIA, NSA all the other alphabet agencies additional foreign spy agencies from our allies and nothing. Not one person can say with a straight face that there was collusion between Trump or his associates. Not one! We have speculation and innuendo which if the lieberals have there way will continue for the length of Trumps term. Why because that is all they have. You are nothing more than a mouthpiece spilling drivel like always.

Look Superman, there is ZERO evidence to support your claims. Come up with some, and I agree wholeheartedly that action be taken. There is no evidence. Partisanship has absolutely nothing to do with it. You are a colossal ass.

I'm glad to hear that when evidence is presented, we agree that action must be taken.

Where we seem to differ is that you don't think it'll be presented. I'm certain it will be. Wanna bet a box of bullets on that?

I still want to get to the bottom of the Patriots/Putin scandal! This cost my team the WH, er..I mean the Super Bowl. Resist!

PS- I'm not Superman. I might be exceptionally smart, stunningly good looking, a midlife physical specimen, irresistible to the fair sex, do way more manly things than all y'all combined on a daily basis, very good with my hands, highly skilled with all manner of machinery and tools, a talented small engine mechanic, an excellent rifleman, capable of physical feats in my early 50's yall could only dream of in your prime, an all-around really nice guy, have more actual small-c "conservative" credentials than most here, and be more perceptive about politics WRT Trump than most here... but I'm not Superman. Just a regular ol' dude, pawning retards on the internet with brutal regularity... but I'm not Superman.

Don't beat yourself up like that.

I wanna dog.....
I wanna shotgun...
Blah, blah, blah.....


P.S. I love you but you're still a f u cking idiot for voting for Obama

With THAT detail squared away, let us return to the real question, which since you ask, is this:

Who here DOES NOT agree that action must be taken if Trump and/or his campaign are shown to have colluded with Russia?

None of your hemming and hawing and deflecting (yeah, like saying that's gonna work ) and attacking the messenger. Man up, gentlemen. Locate your nutsacks (it's that tiny little bump by your man-vag, bigfish), grab aholt of it like a real man, (bigfish, just pretend, 'k?) and tell the [bleep] truth.

who here DOES NOT agree that action must be taken if Trump and/or his campaign are shown to have colluded with Russia?

If only there was some way to harness all the energy coming off your steaming heads.... lol.


ANSWER THE QUESTION! All of you. It's page 30. Enough screwing around.

Why are you fixated with just Russia?
Should this not be 'any' politician and 'any' foreign entity?
Scratch yer nuts[you know, that tiny lump twixt yer legs] and think about it for a few minutes.

You keep ignoring this quote, you wrote it, own up to it halfwit.

I gotta get back to doing Manly Thing (bigfish, that's the opposite of what you are doing).... I'll check back in a bit, ladies.

If you don't answer that question I'm calling you a pussy. Just sayin'.

As far as physical aspects go, I AM Superman, pal. I have the stats to prove it. Number 1 of all time over 50, drug free bench press of 530 at 58 years old and 177 pounds. Don't EVEN think you're in the same ballpark, because nobody in the world is, at this time. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance. Seeing as how you are so wrong in that respect, I see no reason to assume you are not full of pucky in other respects. Show me the evidence. Until you have some, shut up. I am uninterested in betting, it proves nothing at all. There is no evidence. None. Nulla. Niente.