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Ok, forget killing the messenger for a moment... this is actually very interesting. As you can see by my .sig line this general topic interests me very much. Very much worth the read for those appalled at the current state of affairs in the realm of debating ideas. A taste: "People on the left and right,” the study concludes, “are motivated to avoid hearing from the other side for some of the same reasons: the anticipation of cognitive dissonance and the undermining of a fundamental need for a shared reality with other people."https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/15/15585176/motivated-ignorance-politics-debate
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We listened to the other side. Guns are bad, Rs hate old people, we need open borders, we need more Muzzies, cork suckers er normal, pedophilia is normal, quueers have beautiful famblys  when they adopt, we need illegal aliens on wefare..... We listened. Unlike you, we didnt swallow. Unlike you, we still dont.
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Game set and match to jaguartx..
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Journal of Experimental and Social Psychology= long haired hippy type creepo [bleep]
The messengers of liberalism get headaches from listening to the common sense reality "spewing " from conservatives...waaaaa
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you are the very definition of unmotivated complacent ignorance in the discourse of life, GFY dopehead.
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you are the very definition of unmotivated complacent ignorance in the discourse of life, GFY dopehead. Couldn't of said it any better..
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We listened to the other side. Guns are bad, Rs hate old people, we need open borders, we need more Muzzies, cork suckers er normal, pedophilia is normal, quueers have beautiful famblys when they adopt, we need illegal aliens on wefare..... We listened. Unlike you, we didnt swallow. Unlike you, we still dont. This^^^^^^^^^^^ As painful as it is I regularly read left wing leaning sites. It is smart to know what they are up to and how they perceive things in order to have an effective argument with them. You, Jeff underestimate the right and our level of knowledge on social issues, many of us live and breath this stuff and have for years. We truly do see the bigger picture and understand the lefts tactics and goals. The left is a direct threat to the traditional values we hold dear . We believe these values have made this country the greatest in the history of mankind. Trust me it didn't just happen by accident. To listen to you spew the lefts talking points is disgusting and proves how ill informed you are. Therefore many here consider you a threat to our way of life and the liberty we hold dear. For many years I would avoid arguing with the left, I figured they were not worth the effort, that has changed. It is time to argue and attempt to save our way of life and our liberty. Wrong headed talking points and left wing lies are no longer to be tolerated. You Jeff are doing exactly what you accuse us of doing,
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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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We listened to the other side. Guns are bad, Rs hate old people, we need open borders, we need more Muzzies, cork suckers er normal, pedophilia is normal, quueers have beautiful famblys when they adopt, we need illegal aliens on wefare..... We listened. Unlike you, we didnt swallow. Unlike you, we still dont. This^^^^^^^^^^^ As painful as it is I regularly read left wing leaning sites. It is smart to know what they are up to and how they perceive things in order to have an effective argument with them. You, Jeff underestimate the right and our level of knowledge on social issues, many of us live and breath this stuff and have for years. We truly do see the bigger picture and understand the lefts tactics and goals. The left is a direct threat to the traditional values we hold dear . We believe these values have made this country the greatest in the history of mankind. Trust me it didn't just happen by accident. To listen to you spew the lefts talking points is disgusting and proves how ill informed you are. Therefore many here consider you a threat to our way of life and the liberty we hold dear. For many years I would avoid arguing with the left, I figured they were not worth the effort, that has changed. It is time to argue and attempt to save our way of life and our liberty. Wrong headed talking points and left wing lies are no longer to be tolerated. You Jeff are doing exactly what you accuse us of doing, He's getting PAID to do this,......and responding to his drivel is doing nothing but improving his situation. ......wish a few folks would wise up about this, drop the "jello" schtick, and quit blowing the Troll call every 1/2 hour. GTC
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We listened to the other side. Guns are bad, Rs hate old people, we need open borders, we need more Muzzies, cork suckers er normal, pedophilia is normal, quueers have beautiful famblys when they adopt, we need illegal aliens on wefare..... We listened. Unlike you, we didnt swallow. Unlike you, we still dont. This^^^^^^^^^^^ As painful as it is I regularly read left wing leaning sites. It is smart to know what they are up to and how they perceive things in order to have an effective argument with them. You, Jeff underestimate the right and our level of knowledge on social issues, many of us live and breath this stuff and have for years. We truly do see the bigger picture and understand the lefts tactics and goals. The left is a direct threat to the traditional values we hold dear . We believe these values have made this country the greatest in the history of mankind. Trust me it didn't just happen by accident. To listen to you spew the lefts talking points is disgusting and proves how ill informed you are. Therefore many here consider you a threat to our way of life and the liberty we hold dear. For many years I would avoid arguing with the left, I figured they were not worth the effort, that has changed. It is time to argue and attempt to save our way of life and our liberty. Wrong headed talking points and left wing lies are no longer to be tolerated. You Jeff are doing exactly what you accuse us of doing, He's getting PAID to do this,......and responding to his drivel is doing nothing but improving his situation. ......wish a few folks would wise up about this, drop the "jello" schtick, and quit blowing the Troll call every 1/2 hour. GTC You mean like answering this post. LAMO.
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I truly wish it were otherwise, but the time for discourse is passed. The lying left has committed to their lies and will not be dissuaded from them. This will not end well, but it has to end.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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Those are mighty big words coming from a mouth breather 
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We listened to the other side. Guns are bad, Rs hate old people, we need open borders, we need more Muzzies, cork suckers er normal, pedophilia is normal, quueers have beautiful famblys when they adopt, we need illegal aliens on wefare..... We listened. Unlike you, we didnt swallow. Unlike you, we still dont. That sums it up very nicely. kwg
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Ok, forget killing the messenger for a moment...
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"People on the left and right,” the study concludes, “are motivated to avoid hearing from the other side for some of the same reasons: the anticipation of cognitive dissonance and the undermining of a fundamental need for a shared reality with other people."
The difference is that the Right doesn't want to hear something so they just don't listen. The Left doesn't want to hear something so they demand that you stop talking. Or they'll riot. I can see who the problem is.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Ok, forget killing the messenger for a moment... this is actually very interesting. As you can see by my .sig line this general topic interests me very much. Very much worth the read for those appalled at the current state of affairs in the realm of debating ideas. A taste: "People on the left and right,” the study concludes, “are motivated to avoid hearing from the other side for some of the same reasons: the anticipation of cognitive dissonance and the undermining of a fundamental need for a shared reality with other people."https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/15/15585176/motivated-ignorance-politics-debateWell Jeffery, I can see your interest in that subject. I watched many conversations go on like that, when in college. Guys who think they were some sort of intellectuals, sitting around stoned out of their minds and think they were accomplishing something in life, talking about things they didn't have a friggin clue about. Especially on a Friday and Saturday night. Myself, I was putting my time and energies into practicing what it would be like on a honeymoon with some gorgeous, large breasted blonde or redhead.
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The left has progressed from talking to violence. They absolutely don't care what we have to say. They are the party of intolerance and hypocrisy.
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"People on the left and right,” the study concludes, “are motivated to avoid hearing from the other side for some of the same reasons: the anticipation of cognitive dissonance and the undermining of a fundamental need for a shared reality with other people."
The difference is that the Right doesn't want to hear something so they just don't listen. The Left doesn't want to hear something so they demand that you stop talking. Or they'll riot. I can see who the problem is. FNI. Last two letters are, "nailed it." You can fill in the rest.
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I've asked you this question a couple times now. Where is the "motivated ignorance" that is stopping me from understanding? It's your lack of any response... good faith and intellectual honesty are DEAD here.
Did you mean to prove your own point by never answering a simple question:
My belief has been that there's a lot of "there" there in the Russian collusion mess. Might not reach Trump- might be confined to Page, Stone, Manafort, Flynn, or some combo, but I think it happened. I think law enforcement has been doing what they do: methodically building the case. I think this brings all that to a head. Guess we'll see. I kinda hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
How exactly do you figure that this would have helped Trump? Unless election counting was rigged somehow, where is the collusion? ?? Please... seriously. I'd really genuinely like to know the answer, because it appears that the Left's "concern" has much more to do with continuing discussion of a connection only for the purpose of discrediting the President not because there is anything there of consequence.
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Anytime you try to negotiate with the left, you lose. How do you discuss or negotiate with liars? I'm done. Your side set the rules of engagement and I'm damn happy to live by them.
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You know, there must be some validity to this. Example: I have been debating and making the same points for 30 years. I have been objecting to the same policies when presented by and/or argued for by the likes of Bill Clinton, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis (sp), Tom Daschle, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, etc., etc. Then, Barrack Obama comes on the scene, I take the same positions, and now, I'm a racist and that can be the only basis for my positions, irrespective of having held the same positions in opposition to white people for decades. Go figure.
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Ok, forget killing the messenger for a moment... this is actually very interesting. As you can see by my .sig line this general topic interests me very much. Very much worth the read for those appalled at the current state of affairs in the realm of debating ideas. A taste: "People on the left and right,” the study concludes, “are motivated to avoid hearing from the other side for some of the same reasons: the anticipation of cognitive dissonance and the undermining of a fundamental need for a shared reality with other people."https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/15/15585176/motivated-ignorance-politics-debateJeff: Take it from a guy who carries a rattle and wears a headdress. I'm a Conservative Republican, Life Member of the NRA and a good Methodist Boy(with strong Taoist leanings). Despite this I have known and counted as my friends pagans, hermaphrodites, ex-members of the SDS and a mercenary or two. I have a great uncle that flipped off Hitler and lived to tell about it. My father used to hang with Cab Calloway, Gene Shepard and Jackie Gleason. I have dated and bedded more radical female communists than I care to think about. I have had a gnosh with Robert Anton Wilson. As soon as I get off the plane and get to my rental car, I start surfing for strange and unusual radio stations. I live for cognitive dissonance and my family shows a genetic disposition for it. Take it from me: that article was hooey and the guy who posted it is obviously trolling. Sorry. but if you keep this up, I am going to put my fingers in my ears and sing loudly. No, I would not kill the messenger, but I might be tempted to put him on ignore.
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Ok, forget killing the messenger for a moment... this is actually very interesting. As you can see by my .sig line this general topic interests me very much. Very much worth the read for those appalled at the current state of affairs in the realm of debating ideas. A taste: "People on the left and right,” the study concludes, “are motivated to avoid hearing from the other side for some of the same reasons: the anticipation of cognitive dissonance and the undermining of a fundamental need for a shared reality with other people."https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/15/15585176/motivated-ignorance-politics-debateJeff: Take it from a guy who carries a rattle and wears a headdress. I'm a Conservative Republican, Life Member of the NRA and a good Methodist Boy(with strong Taoist leanings). Despite this I have known and counted as my friends pagans, hermaphrodites, ex-members of the SDS and a mercenary or two. I have a great uncle that flipped off Hitler and lived to tell about it. My father used to hang with Cab Calloway, Gene Shepard and Jackie Gleason. I have dated and bedded more radical female communists than I care to think about. I have had a gnosh with Robert Anton Wilson. As soon as I get off the plane and get to my rental car, I start surfing for strange and unusual radio stations. I live for cognitive dissonance and my family shows a genetic disposition for it. Take it from me: that article was hooey and the guy who posted it is obviously trolling. Sorry. but if you keep this up, I am going to put my fingers in my ears and sing loudly. No, I would not kill the messenger, but I might be tempted to put him on ignore. A little bruising would probably be overlooked.
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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Please... seriously. I'd really genuinely like to know the answer, because it appears that the Left's "concern" has much more to do with continuing discussion of a connection only for the purpose of discrediting the President not because there is anything there of consequence. No matter how many times you ask the question you're going to get the same answer..............Nuffin'! At least he's consistent......
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Trumps talk7ng to the Ruskies would of course be malicious. Zero and Hillary selling the Crimea and our uranium mine to the Ruskies wouldnt be of any importance. Why cant we undertand that? Because we arent brain dead libs.
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The problem with listening to your side is I can't figure out when you're lying or not. We have to wait for the facts to come out and then almost every time we discover the Left is lying. They claim to be open minded and tolerant. That is one of their biggest lies.
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ph=ck liberals and giving the sums bitches the time of day.
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Motivated ignorance is as old as humans, and certainly not worth writing about in that context. Cognitive drivel there.
Decent folks who try to live via solid values/principles and deal with reality simply tire of hearing stuff from the deceitful and delusional.
Deceitful and delusional folks are afraid to hear what is said by those who behave otherwise.
This stuff is not scientific.
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Jeff, I would imagine that if I went on a leftest forum where everyone's thinking was diametrically opposed to the way I thought and I tried to convince them that my way of thinking was sane I would get the same response. Why don't you go to where like minded individuals who want something for nothing and think that the working class owes them an education a phone a job and a living are.
You are not going to convince anybody here that they owe you [bleep], retard!
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Seems to me, the time for any meaningful conversation has passed between the sides at this point.
It should return in after the conflict/collapse.
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Seems to me, the time for any meaningful conversation has passed between the sides at this point.
It should return in after the conflict/collapse. YES!
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I've talked to a lot of Lefties due to my job. I've never once got the sense that they listened, or wanted to listen, to the other side.
I have dutifully listened and digested all that they said, thought about it, checked it with the facts and against history, and pretty much always have concluded that they are wrong.
The Lefties live in an alternate utopic perception which has little bearing with the real world either past, present, or future, and thus they cannot listen to those who speak of reality. LEFTISM is the ultimate false religion.
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I've talked to a lot of Lefties due to my job. I've never once got the sense that they listened, or wanted to listen, to the other side.
I have dutifully listened and digested all that they said, thought about it, checked it with the facts and against history, and pretty much always have concluded that they are wrong.
The Lefties live in an alternate utopic perception which has little bearing with the real world either past, present, or future, and thus they cannot listen to those who speak of reality. LEFTISM is the ultimate false religion. BINGO!!!!!
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee
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He's getting PAID to do this,......and responding to his drivel is doing nothing but improving his situation.
......wish a few folks would wise up about this, drop the "jello" schtick, and quit blowing the Troll call every 1/2 hour.
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Jesus H, Greg! On my grandmothers grave, I am not being paid to "do this"! By WHO?!  I come here for two reasons. First, because as a person with strong political views that straddle both sides, I more than most am aware of the degradation of discourse and god damn it, I'm not letting that happen without a fight. Second, because tweaking some of you is just plain irresistible, and this forum allows ALL OF US to troll the other guy. C'mon Greg. Don't go full-retard. 
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We listened to the other side. Guns are bad, Rs hate old people, we need open borders, we need more Muzzies, cork suckers er normal, pedophilia is normal, quueers have beautiful famblys when they adopt, we need illegal aliens on wefare..... We listened. Unlike you, we didnt swallow. Unlike you, we still dont. This^^^^^^^^^^^ As painful as it is I regularly read left wing leaning sites. It is smart to know what they are up to and how they perceive things in order to have an effective argument with them. You, Jeff underestimate the right and our level of knowledge on social issues, many of us live and breath this stuff and have for years. We truly do see the bigger picture and understand the lefts tactics and goals. The left is a direct threat to the traditional values we hold dear . We believe these values have made this country the greatest in the history of mankind. Trust me it didn't just happen by accident. To listen to you spew the lefts talking points is disgusting and proves how ill informed you are. Therefore many here consider you a threat to our way of life and the liberty we hold dear. For many years I would avoid arguing with the left, I figured they were not worth the effort, that has changed. It is time to argue and attempt to save our way of life and our liberty. Wrong headed talking points and left wing lies are no longer to be tolerated. You Jeff are doing exactly what you accuse us of doing, The fück I am. I come here to try to converse and sometimes even learn a thing or two. I SEEK cognitive dissonance- it fascinates me, always has. Where there's cognitive dissonance, there's something to learn.
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Ecc 10:2
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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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"People on the left and right,” the study concludes, “are motivated to avoid hearing from the other side for some of the same reasons: the anticipation of cognitive dissonance and the undermining of a fundamental need for a shared reality with other people."
The difference is that the Right doesn't want to hear something so they just don't listen. The Left doesn't want to hear something so they demand that you stop talking. Or they'll riot. I can see who the problem is. I partly agree. I think it's terrible what's happening at say Berkeley where conservative speech is being suppressed. I have two kids in college, and I've gotten right in there grills that I'm gonna be PISSED if I get wind of their participation in that kind of crap. You don't suppress speech, you engage it, and if your viewpoint has merit, you whip it fair and square. So I agree with that part of what you are saying. Politics correctness is a huge problem and is a main cause of this stuff.
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Jeffo,
Without honesty you cannot have the cognitive dissonance you seek.
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Jeffo,
Without honesty you cannot have the cognitive dissonance you seek.
I agree. And that's the problem- a complete lack of good-faith intellectual honesty in our discourse.
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Any R worth a hoot will realize the game D's play. They suck you in and spit you out. There can be NO bipartisanship for the foreseeable future. The Dems are more evil now than they ever have been. The only way to exist with the Democrat Party is to defeat them at every level of government. Unfortunately there are too many moderate R's who are still trying to get along. They need to be primaried in their districts and booted out.
Since Nov. 9 the Dems have open goal, to somehow remove Trump from office. I hope they keep it up because they will continue to lose seats around the nation.
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Jeffo,
If you cannot recognize the lies of the left at this point it is hopeless for you.
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I didn't say the Left is correct and the Right is the problem!!
Did you even read the article I linked?
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Jeff,
I think the problem is my deeper than simply motivated ignorance. As a society we don't even agree that there is such a thing as objective truth, let alone what things actually fall into that category. IMHO rational discourse must be somehow grounded in truth. Without truth, everything is just opinion and who is to say one person's opinion is better than someone else's?
and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? (Micah 6:8) d.v. Musings on TDS
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Jeffo,
If you cannot recognize the lies of the left at this point it is hopeless for you. This^^^^. Hes a sucker for a left hook or crook.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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Jeff,
I think the problem is my deeper than simply motivated ignorance. As a society we don't even agree that there is such a thing as objective truth, let alone what things actually fall into that category. IMHO rational discourse must be somehow grounded in truth. Without truth, everything is just opinion and who is to say one person's opinion is better than someone else's? Well, Comey said Hillary didnt intend to be so stupid. I guess, of course, Trump did. 
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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Jeff,
Yes I read it. Did you read my post? My point is we don't all fit into that category. In fact I would make the argument the left are notorious for the behavior described in that article.
Herding conservatives is like herding cats.
The left are sheep and they prove it on a regular basis by repeating talking points, beyond that the haven't a clue and resort to name calling.
II will give you credit unlike most leftist you don't resort to name calling, you do regurgitate talking points and quote fake news on a regular basis
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I've asked you this question a couple times now. Where is the "motivated ignorance" that is stopping me from understanding? It's your lack of any response... good faith and intellectual honesty are DEAD here.
Did you mean to prove your own point by never answering a simple question:
My belief has been that there's a lot of "there" there in the Russian collusion mess. Might not reach Trump- might be confined to Page, Stone, Manafort, Flynn, or some combo, but I think it happened. I think law enforcement has been doing what they do: methodically building the case. I think this brings all that to a head. Guess we'll see. I kinda hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
How exactly do you figure that this would have helped Trump? Unless election counting was rigged somehow, where is the collusion? ?? Please... seriously. I'd really genuinely like to know the answer, because it appears that the Left's "concern" has much more to do with continuing discussion of a connection only for the purpose of the President not because there is anything there of consequence. Ok. Your question is sort of a non-sequitar because the two are not related. Put another way, collusion doesn't require that one single vote was changed by the efforts to do so by Russia. How effective Russia's efforts were or were not is irrelevant. What's relevant is if a candidate colluded with Russia to attempt to influence the election. That'd be treasonous.
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Your question is sort of a non-sequitar because the two are not related. Put another way, collusion doesn't require that one single vote was changed by the efforts to do so by Russia. How effective Russia's efforts were or were not is irrelevant. What's relevant is if a candidate colluded with Russia to attempt to influence the election. That'd be treasonous.
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The Russia connection and collusion makes no sense, Jeff
Lets assume the Russians did try to influence the election and they are responsible for Wikileaks. Did they make Hillary do her dirty deeds?
Did they make Hillary have an unsecured illegal server, just so they could hack it?
Did Podesta fall for a simple Phishing Hack? or did the Russians do that also?
What do the Russians hope to gain?
Do you believe Trump would believe the Russians could give him a victory?
Did the Russians make the DNC collude to sink Bernie Sanders?
After answering those questions then ask yourself, would the lib's concoct a scandal like this?
Would they benefit from a scandal like this?
Have they engaged in these kind of lies before?
Why wasn't Russian hacking on the radar until after Hillary lost?
Did Obama try and influence the Israeli election?
Did Seth Rich die during an armed robbery, yet nothing was taken?
Is Comie within his job description to determine intent?
Since when was intent a factor in whether to prosecute a crime or not?
If Trump is such a narcissist why would he ask the Russians of all people for help?
Did the Russian make Hillary form her charity in order to laundry money?
Did the Russian build Trump tower or any of his other resorts?
Did the Russians give Trump money to construct resorts?
Did the Russians funnel money into the Clinton foundation in order to obtain 20% of our uranium?
Did Obama tell Meidved (spelling?) tell Putin after the election he will have more leeway?
This is just a partial list I can think of off the top of my head, there is much more
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Again tell me how I am just believing right wing rhetoric??
Critical thinking and common sense will help you sort through the "spin" you should try it , may work better than your cognitive dissident?
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Ok.
Your question is sort of a non-sequitar because the two are not related. Put another way, collusion doesn't require that one single vote was changed by the efforts to do so by Russia. How effective Russia's efforts were or were not is irrelevant. What's relevant is if a candidate colluded with Russia to attempt to influence the election. That'd be treasonous.
Fair enough. What may the INTENDED consequence of such collusion have been? I assume that even if you don't like the President that you recognize he isn't an idiot right? What might have made the risk of such a thing worthwhile to him? Seems to me there was a lot more evidence that the Russians might have colluded with Hillary.... I mean she'd already cut them a deal on nuclear material and they were contributing to her foundation.
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EFW, sorry I missed your reasonable question. I didn't want this thread to just become a shïtstorm so I just bailed out of it... I just wanted folks to read that article I linked to and think about it a bit.
I actually agree that it seems unlikely, at this moment, that Trump himself was colluding; not so much because I don't see an intended consequence- which would be, to damage Clinton and thus benefit Trump- but because of recent events. It's hard for me to believe that a guilty Trump would fire Comey, talk openly about it being at least partly over "Russia", then turn around and brag to the RUSSIANS about it! That would be just stupid and he's not stupid. But, I think in his arrogance, his inability to STFU, and a basic mid-understanding of the limits of presidential power (and the way the FBI and courts work), I think he's made a terrible tactical blunder that opens him up to obstruction charges... we'll just have to wait and see.
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But I bumped this thread to post this, from Fox News. It dovetails nicely with the article I first linked to on this thread. It's a a quick read- check it out. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-donald-trump-is-dismissed-as-fake.html
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The Russia connection and collusion makes no sense, Jeff
Lets assume the Russians did try to influence the election and they are responsible for Wikileaks. Did they make Hillary do her dirty deeds?
Did they make Hillary have an unsecured illegal server, just so they could hack it?
Did Podesta fall for a simple Phishing Hack? or did the Russians do that also?
What do the Russians hope to gain?
Do you believe Trump would believe the Russians could give him a victory?
Did the Russians make the DNC collude to sink Bernie Sanders?
After answering those questions then ask yourself, would the lib's concoct a scandal like this?
Would they benefit from a scandal like this?
Have they engaged in these kind of lies before?
Why wasn't Russian hacking on the radar until after Hillary lost?
Did Obama try and influence the Israeli election?
Did Seth Rich die during an armed robbery, yet nothing was taken?
Is Comie within his job description to determine intent?
Since when was intent a factor in whether to prosecute a crime or not?
If Trump is such a narcissist why would he ask the Russians of all people for help?
Did the Russian make Hillary form her charity in order to laundry money?
Did the Russian build Trump tower or any of his other resorts?
Did the Russians give Trump money to construct resorts?
Did the Russians funnel money into the Clinton foundation in order to obtain 20% of our uranium?
Did Obama tell Meidved (spelling?) tell Putin after the election he will have more leeway?
This is just a partial list I can think of off the top of my head, there is much more
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Again tell me how I am just believing right wing rhetoric??
Critical thinking and common sense will help you sort through the "spin" you should try it , may work better than your cognitive dissident?
Seems like you missed answering these questions JeffO so I helpfully posted them again for you.
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You're an example of the effect of motivated ignorance on intercourse.
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You're an example of the effect of motivated ignorance on intercourse. Well said, none of us can really understand what goes through Jeff's head. And he keeps coming back for more like a beat dog!
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