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#12032312 - 05/14/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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I'm solidly in the #2 camp.

Happy to hunt in a season that offers less pressure, better areas, and better dates.


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#12032317 - 05/14/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: szihn]  
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Originally Posted by szihn
"I like reason #3. In Colorado I can draw a muzzle loader tag and then by an OTC rifle elk tag,giving me two elk hunts per year. I have three muzzle loaders of different styles,so I change up whenever I feel like doing something different"

Oh now that's cool!
I would maybe go for Reason #3 too.
I have never heard of that anywhere else.


In Co,there are "A", "B", and "C" tags. You can have one "A" tag and a "B" tag or two "B" tags. "C" tags are crop damage, special tags l, and some private land owner tags. No limit in them. The "A" tags are draw, and usually OTC bull tags.Most"B" tags are cow tags. But that is ok, I like to eat cows better


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#12032350 - 05/14/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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L like reason # 4, to hunt elk during the rut with a firearm. Or reason #5, to hunt the Colorado mountains in September, rather than October or November.



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#12032402 - 05/14/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: smokepole]  
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Yea, those warmer seasons are getting to be a lot more enjoyable to me.Except for the rain


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#12032421 - 05/14/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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#12032914 - 05/14/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: szihn]  
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Ive shot antelope and deer with the 50 cal round ball. I wiuld never hunt elk with it. TC maxi or Powerbelt for me for them in 50 cal. Not saying a RB through the ribs broadside wont do it, but i never got the primo shot with rifle, ml, or bow.

I do prefer the Blackhorn powder.

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#12032916 - 05/14/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: bigblock455]  
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Originally Posted by bigblock455
Anything but a powerbelt laugh

Why?


"Democrats haven't been this upset since slavery was ended. "Rush
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#12032956 - 05/14/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: jaguartx]  
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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by bigblock455
Anything but a powerbelt laugh

Why?


Apparently they've acquired the reputation of not holding together or "pancaking". No idea if it is deserved or not.


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#12033366 - 05/15/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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For me, the main reason to use a muzzle loader is simply more enjoyment of the sport I love. The extra legal hunting time is nice, but in Texas, it comes AFTER both archery and general firearms season. There may be less competition, but the game is likely to be somewhat "shell-shocked" and maybe more wary. Just the fact that we have enough deer now to allow these "special seasons" is something to celebrate. I have always done much of my hunting with single shots, and really enjoy the in line muzzle loading systems - although I admit to myself that they seem to have evolved as a way to get an edge in a supposedly "primitive weapons" season. Has nothing really to do with perceived "traditions" - I get no thrill from playing Daniel Boone, though I do not begrudge those who do.

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#12033554 - 05/15/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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Originally Posted by MadMooner
Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by bigblock455
Anything but a powerbelt laugh

Why?


Apparently they've acquired the reputation of not holding together or "pancaking". No idea if it is deserved or not.


Mainly among those who've never shot an elk with them, like bigblock.



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#12033985 - 05/15/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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The 295 powerbelts shoot nice out of my tc. Im gonna try em on a deer or hog hopefully this year along with maybe some great plains bullets. I heard the PB dont like to be pushed too fast.

#12033993 - 05/15/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: Phoneman]  
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That's true. And if you use them for elk I'd recommend the 348s or larger.



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#12034673 - 05/15/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: Phoneman]  
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Originally Posted by Phoneman
The 295 powerbelts shoot nice out of my tc. Im gonna try em on a deer or hog hopefully this year along with maybe some great plains bullets. I heard the PB dont like to be pushed too fast.


They act like any other projectile made out of pure lead. Just like pushing a cup and core bullet over 3000fps out of a center fire rifle and expecting it to hold together at 50 yards

Here's one that went thru an elk ending up under the hide on the far side, 90 gr FFG black powder, 295 gr Power belt.I have since stepped up to the 348 gr however.

[Linked Image]

Here is the elk. That bump on the hide just behind the ribs is that bullet. Entered just behind the shoulder , quartering rearward thru liver.

[Linked Image]


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#12034792 - 05/15/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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I shoot'em with Round Balls. They don't fall apart.

#12035075 - 05/16/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: bigblock455]  
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How many elk have you shot with powerbelts, and had them fall apart?

I don't expect an answer, it's just a rhetorical question so that anyone reading this can judge the value of your opinion.



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#12035220 - 05/16/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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I shot a bull broadside with a 348 grain powerbelt at 105 yards. Was using 110 grains of 777 if I recall that detail correctly. He took off dragging his onside leg so I unfortunately got too close to the shoulder. Waited a bit and walked down to where he was. Saw 2 piles of frothy pink lung blood, literally 2-3" tall and filled with air bubbles. So I know very definitely I got one lung. I searched for 1.5 days for that bull and never recovered him. It is the only elk I ever lost and still pisses me off. I'll take closer shots with a roundball or about 100 yard max with heavy solid nose conicals from now on.

Not saying that many haven't had excellent luck with them, but I've killed every other elk shot with 370 grain maxiballs and am going back to them. If I hadn't caught shoulder, I am sure he would have died quickly. Still a bummer.

#12035341 - 05/16/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: 30338]  
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Yep, a one lung hit elk can go far.That is why you hear so many guys say they shoulder shoot because lung shots don't put them down.When in truth it's the shooter not doing his job. No inference to 30338 here


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#12035423 - 05/16/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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Ive never lined up an elk in my sights must less ever shot at one, so take this with grain of salt. Ive noticed with whitetails that i like bullets that hold together, partitions, barnes etc. As a youngun, i was told to aim right behind the shoulder and id hit lungs, heart etc. With cheap old bullets id put em in the boiler room and they would always run off. So i shot a few in the shoulder, the bullets would blow the shoulder apart and deer would run off limping. Bullets would be tore all to pieces. I started shooting premium bullets and putting it high shoulder and they drop in their tracks. Havent recovered a bullet yet and you can almost eat up to the hole. If I ever get the chance to hunt an elk, you can bet your ass Im going with something I know will penetrate. After shooting big bores with big heavy slow bullets, ive realized that you dont need that whiz bang magnum to kill stuff, those big bullets put em in the dirt and dont blow em all to pieces in the process. Im far from an expert and just starting reloading and experimenting. From what ive read, if I was going after an elk, id try a hard cast conical of some sort or one of those barnes sabots.

#12035428 - 05/16/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: saddlesore]  
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Originally Posted by saddlesore
Yep, a one lung hit elk can go far.That is why you hear so many guys say they shoulder shoot because lung shots don't put them down.When in truth it's the shooter not doing his job. No inference to 30338 here


Bull was perfectly broadside. A hard cast conical would, in that instance and in my opinion, have put meat in the freezer. One lung won't do it.

#12036154 - 05/16/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: Phoneman]  
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Originally Posted by Phoneman
From what ive read, if I was going after an elk, id try a hard cast conical of some sort or one of those barnes sabots.


Both are good choices, unless you're hunting CO. No sabots allowed during the ML season.



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#12036689 - 05/16/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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I thought bb455 was a powerbelt advocate.?


#12036743 - 05/16/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: Tom264]  
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Originally Posted by Tom264
I thought bb455 was a powerbelt advocate.?


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#12039857 - 05/18/17 Re: Bullets for elk? [Re: MadMooner]  
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I've taken several elk (including a large bull) and a bull moose with 325 grain .54 cal lead Powerbelts. Only 80 grains of Pyrodex for extra tight groups and no problem bringing down the game. I may switch to rounball and real black when I run out of them. Caplock Hawken.

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