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Looking at Hodgdon's reloading website recently I noticed the new IMR Enduron 4955 powder as showing a lot of promise in the 6.5x55. I recently tried out Reloder 23 in the 6.5x55 as a substitute for Reloder 22 with the 129 grain Hornady SP (my current favorite combo). The only thing I had to go on was QuickLOAD and a chronograph (and perhaps a slight lapse in safety precaution). blush

In any case, Hodgdon's data for IMR 4955 intrigued me and I picked up a pound. As you can see from the numbers gleaned from Hodgdon's website, it is commonly one of the top powders with regards to velocity for a very wide range of bullet weights.

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100g Sierra HP
H414/W760    49.5    3,183    45,400 CUP
Varget        42.0    3,177    45,800 CUP
H4350        50.0C    3,172    46,000 CUP
IMR 4955    50.0C    3,089    45,000 CUP ****

120g Nosler BT
IMR 4831    48.5C    2,913    46,200 CUP
IMR 4955    48.1C    2,901    45,500 CUP ****
IMR 4350    46.8C    2,863    46,000 CUP
Varget        39.0    2,812    45,300 CUP

129g Hornady SP
IMR 4955    48.0C    2,827    45,300 CUP ****
IMR 4350    46.0    2,793    45,800 CUP
IMR 4831    47.0C    2,792    45,100 CUP
Hybrid 100V    45.5    2,743    46,400 CUP

140g Speer SP
IMR 4831    46.3    2,700    45,400 CUP
IMR 4955    46.3    2,684    45,500 CUP ****
IMR 7828 SSC    48.2    2,678    45,800 CUP
IMR 4350    45.0    2,677    46,000 CUP

160g Hornady RN
IMR 4955    46.8    2,563    46,100 CUP ****
H4831        48.0C    2,524    46,000 CUP
H1000        50.0C    2,517    45,300 CUP
IMR 7828 SSC    47.0    2,512    45,600 CUP


While it's definitely on the slow side for a 100g BT it still turns up with the 4th fastest velocity. It shows the fastest velocity for the 129g Hornady SP and the 160g Hornady RN, while taking second place with the 120g Nosler BT and the 140g Speer HotCor. Obviously, velocity isn't everything, but it is something. smile Getting 2,900 FPS with a 120g Nosler BT while still being at the 46,000 CUP SAAMI limit is very impressive.

I was wondering if any of you have tried this powder in the Swede and with which bullets? I'd love to know if you found an accurate load that you'd be willing to share...


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I recently worked up to 46 gr and the 140 gr Partition and Accubond in my wife's Tikka T 3. Both bullets shot quite well, I forgot the chronograph but hope to clock them next time. Like you I noticed the good looking data from Hodgdon and had to give it a try.


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That's pretty danged good for 45K.. I have been using 7828SSC and RL26 in my Swede. I need to get back to work with 26 and the 140 Noslers. It seems to shoot everything pretty well.

Depending on how you guys make out I might need to grab some 4955 to give a shot.


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gerry35,

Would you be willing to share a bit more specific info? Case, Primer, COAL, number of shot fired, and group size (if you bothered to measure it)?

Thanks.


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Here is what QuickLOAD thinks about IMR 4955 and the 129g Hornady SP.

This is using my previously used COAL with this bullet (3.055"), my measured case capacity (57.2g), my brass length (2.160"), my measured bullet length (1.169"), etc.

WARNING: USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Code
Cartridge          : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet             : .264, 129, Hornady SP 2620
Useable Case Capaci: 53.386 grain H2O = 3.466 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.055 inch = 77.60 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.6 inch = 600.0 mm
Powder             : IMR 4955 Enduron

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.833% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-08.3   92    44.00   2576    1901   41936   9863     92.0    1.358
-07.5   93    44.40   2600    1936   43012   9970     92.4    1.342
-06.7   94    44.80   2623    1970   44112  10075     92.8    1.326
-05.8   94    45.20   2646    2005   45239  10179     93.2    1.310
-05.0   95    45.60   2669    2041   46395  10281     93.6    1.294
-04.2   96    46.00   2692    2076   47581  10382     94.0    1.279  ! Near Maximum !
-03.3   97    46.40   2716    2112   48798  10481     94.3    1.264  ! Near Maximum !
-02.5   98    46.80   2739    2149   50047  10579     94.7    1.249  ! Near Maximum !
-01.7   99    47.20   2762    2186   51328  10675     95.0    1.235  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8   99    47.60   2786    2223   52644  10769     95.4    1.221  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    48.00   2809    2260   53994  10861     95.7    1.206  ! Near Maximum !
+00.8  101    48.40   2832    2297   55381  10951     96.0    1.192  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.7  102    48.80   2855    2335   56805  11039     96.3    1.178  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.5  103    49.20   2879    2374   58267  11126     96.6    1.165  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3  104    49.60   2902    2412   59769  11210     96.9    1.151  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.2  104    50.00   2925    2451   61312  11292     97.2    1.138  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    48.00   2881    2377   58599  10975     97.9    1.163  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    48.00   2728    2131   49449  10635     92.7    1.256  ! Near Maximum !


That tracks pretty closely to Hodgdon's measured data...


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I also noticed that with the 107g and 142g bullets in Hodgdon's data, IMR 4955 was in the top velocity spot again.

Let's hope the accuracy pans out with this powder because it sure looks great on paper.


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Originally Posted by Azar
gerry35,

Would you be willing to share a bit more specific info? Case, Primer, COAL, number of shot fired, and group size (if you bothered to measure it)?

Thanks.


Absolutely. The Partitions are at 3.160", the Accubonds are similar in length I used my last few to see how they grouped and am out now. I never measured the groups but they were both under 3/4" for 3 shots.

46 gr IMR 4955
Lapua case
CCI 200

When I get around to chronographing the Partitions I'll try to remember to update this thread. If the weather is decent this weekend I may have the chance.


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Originally Posted by Azar
Here is what QuickLOAD thinks about IMR 4955 and the 129g Hornady SP.

This is using my previously used COAL with this bullet (3.055"), my measured case capacity (57.2g), my brass length (2.160"), my measured bullet length (1.169"), etc.

WARNING: USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Code
Cartridge          : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet             : .264, 129, Hornady SP 2620
Useable Case Capaci: 53.386 grain H2O = 3.466 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.055 inch = 77.60 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.6 inch = 600.0 mm
Powder             : IMR 4955 Enduron

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.833% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-08.3   92    44.00   2576    1901   41936   9863     92.0    1.358
-07.5   93    44.40   2600    1936   43012   9970     92.4    1.342
-06.7   94    44.80   2623    1970   44112  10075     92.8    1.326
-05.8   94    45.20   2646    2005   45239  10179     93.2    1.310
-05.0   95    45.60   2669    2041   46395  10281     93.6    1.294
-04.2   96    46.00   2692    2076   47581  10382     94.0    1.279  ! Near Maximum !
-03.3   97    46.40   2716    2112   48798  10481     94.3    1.264  ! Near Maximum !
-02.5   98    46.80   2739    2149   50047  10579     94.7    1.249  ! Near Maximum !
-01.7   99    47.20   2762    2186   51328  10675     95.0    1.235  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8   99    47.60   2786    2223   52644  10769     95.4    1.221  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    48.00   2809    2260   53994  10861     95.7    1.206  ! Near Maximum !
+00.8  101    48.40   2832    2297   55381  10951     96.0    1.192  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.7  102    48.80   2855    2335   56805  11039     96.3    1.178  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.5  103    49.20   2879    2374   58267  11126     96.6    1.165  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3  104    49.60   2902    2412   59769  11210     96.9    1.151  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.2  104    50.00   2925    2451   61312  11292     97.2    1.138  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    48.00   2881    2377   58599  10975     97.9    1.163  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    48.00   2728    2131   49449  10635     92.7    1.256  ! Near Maximum !


That tracks pretty closely to Hodgdon's measured data...


Looks like potentially 2900 fps is safely possible with the 129's with reasonable pressures. In a modern gun I don't mind going a bit over listed max for the 6.5x55 since the data is a bit soft because of older guns. Within reason anyways.......


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Thanks for the update.


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I finally got to the range this morning for a mini-Audette ladder test with the 129g Hornady SP and this powder.

Powder charges ranged from 45.6g to 48.3g in 0.3g jumps.
Winchester brass, 4th loading @ 2.160"
Federal 210 large rifle primer
3.090" COAL (0.008" off the lands)
The chronograph was set-up ~10ft from the muzzle (Shooting Chrony Beta Master)
It was a bright, but overcast day @ 46*F. No need for diffusers.

The 10 shot ladder was shot at 100 yards and the total group measured 1.774". Not great, but not terrible either.
Shots 3,4,5 show promise with a group of 0.632" and shots 4 & 5 basically making one elongated hole.

Velocities were higher than Hodgdon's data would lead me to expect.
1. (45.6g) 2,803 fps
2. (45.9g) 2,861 fps
3. (46.2g) 2,835 fps
4. (46.5g) 2,869 fps
5. (46.8g) 2,846 fps
6. (47.1g) 2,884 fps
7. (47.4g) 2,874 fps
8. (47.7g) 2,919 fps
9. (48.0g**) 2,900 fps
10. (48.3g) 2,949 fps
** Hodgdon's listed max with measured velocity at 2,827 fps.

So at 2.0gr below max we are exceeding Hodgdon's measured velocity at max. While occasionally I'll see an anomaly during a shot string where one shot seems out of place with regards to velocity with the small increase in powder I don't think I've ever seen a powder "jump around" as much as I see here. Conditions seemed ideal for a light sensor chronograph, but I can't explain the velocity variances with shots #2, #4, #7, #8, and #10.

Do you think it might indicate the powder is a poor fit in this application or...?

In any case, I'm going to load up 5+ rounds at 46.5g and see what I have there.


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What I'm seeing is one shot at each charge level isn't enough to provide reliable statistics about actual velocity at each step.

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Originally Posted by gerry35
Originally Posted by Azar
gerry35,

Would you be willing to share a bit more specific info? Case, Primer, COAL, number of shot fired, and group size (if you bothered to measure it)?

Thanks.


Absolutely. The Partitions are at 3.160", the Accubonds are similar in length I used my last few to see how they grouped and am out now. I never measured the groups but they were both under 3/4" for 3 shots.

46 gr IMR 4955
Lapua case
CCI 200

When I get around to chronographing the Partitions I'll try to remember to update this thread. If the weather is decent this weekend I may have the chance.


Forgot about this thread so I'm glad to see it come up again. I did chronograph the above load and it was just under 2700 fps from the Tikka.


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I was able to test 5 shots of 46.5g IMR 4955 (the #4 charge above).

Hornady 129g Interlock SP (blems)
46.5g IMR 4955
Winchester brass, 3rd loading @ 2.158"
Federal 210 primer
COAL 3.090" (0.008" off the lands)
Sunny, no cloud cover, 72* F.

1. 2,837 fps
2. 2,833 fps
3. 2,856 fps
4. 2,793 fps
5. 2,836 fps
Ave. Velocity 2,831 fps

Shot #4 was a little low and left and it opened the group to 1.3" at 100 yards, the other 4 shots going into a 0.754" group. I'm not 100% sure what happened with shot #4 but I believe it was partially my fault due to having a looser grip on the rifle. The rifle jumped a little in my hands on that shot and that may have affected it some. That shot also recorded 47 fps slower than the average of the other 4 shots which may have also attributed to it opening the group up. Who knows? 1.3" for 5 shots is still a good place to start for a big game load.

In any case, I believe this load shows promise and I plan to chase it a little further.


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