Seriously. I have a 14 yr old American Standard that I am ready to take a 10 lb. hammer to. At least once a week, I'm running for the plunger. I want to replace it with one that WORKS! My only requirement for the new one is that it can handle a man sized turd. Would be nice if it were the standard height. Has anyone bought one in the past few years that has been trouble free? Its hard to believe the options available on toilets these days. I feel like I am vehicle shopping.
look on the used market for one of the old ones. you can clean it, rebuild it and put a new seat on it. if you have craigslist in your area there are all kind of building materials on there.
Seriously. I have a 14 yr old American Standard that I am ready to take a 10 lb. hammer to. At least once a week, I'm running for the plunger. I want to replace it with one that WORKS! My only requirement for the new one is that it can handle a man sized turd. Would be nice if it were the standard height. Has anyone bought one in the past few years that has been trouble free? Its hard to believe the options available on toilets these days. I feel like I am vehicle shopping.
Sounds like you need to consider what's going on past the toilet. You most likely have sewer issues, not toilet issues.
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We have an American Standard Cadet 3. Not an expensive one, $170 at Lowes, have had it 8 years and pluneed it once or twice. No idea why it ever needed plunged, but with two young kids and a wife....... probably best I don't know.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
Take it from a dumass plumber. Buy a good Kohler. Not the cheap one. American Standard residential and commercial toilets are dog cshit.The toto comercial are ok. No experience with Toto residential toilets yet. Just my opinion.
Sounds like you need to consider what's going on past the toilet. You most likely have sewer issues, not toilet issues.
My first thought. Gotta believe just about any toilet is less restrictive than whatever's downstream.
It might be the toilet also. When the low flush toilets first came out most of the manufactures just changed the flushing mechanism. It took some of them a while to redesign the toilets. The TOTO rep explained it to us the same way as this article does. http://www.hgtv.com/design/rooms/bathrooms/the-lowdown-on-low-flow-toilets
Toto, a Japanese company that started selling toilets in the U.S. in 1989, now has about a third of the $320-million U.S. toilet market. It's gotten that slice with a better trap — a trapway, not a mousetrap. Toto's toilets (such as the Bristol) have longer and less convoluted trapways than traditional toilets, and their 3-inch (vs. 2 inches) flush valve — where the water leaves the tank — makes a big difference, too.
Kohler Cimarron, we have installed dozens of these in the past 10 yrs. No call backs. I have had 3 in my own house for over 10 yrs with no clogs or issues.
TOTO +4 ... Friend of mine that works for a plumbing supply house highly recommends them Have had one for 10+ years. Have never had to use the plunger. While you're at it, get a Bemis Whisper Close seat to go with it. Makes for the ULTIMATE in thrones...
I had the same problem at my house and my Dad's and the next door neighbors. The older American Standards we tried to tolerate were terrible.
It was explained to me that TOTO had the patent for a low water use toilet that would actually flush, but most other manufacturers are copying now. I suppose the patent ran out or something.
I have installed several Glacier Bay and they all work fantastic. They are the cheap chinese ones you get at Home Depot for $100 or so. I imagine most new toilets have copied the TOTO design and will work much better than what you have. Look for the big opening for the flush at the bottom of the tank.
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Make it so it looks like JeffObama's pie hole. Guarantee to never clog
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I think most of the no clog toilets simply have a slightly larger throat and are glazed all the way to the end of the throat. I have a $149 American Standard no clog from HD and have no clog issues at all.
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Yes, I have used a few tank type toilets in comercial establishments which sounded like a jet turbine intake when flushed. It would take a brick to plug one up. But I never got a make or model number from one. I want one in my house. For all I care, it can use 5 gal/flush. My aquifer is fully charges and electricity to run the well is cheap.
As we pass the 60 yr mark, a couple inches of increased seat height can also be usefull.
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We built a new house last year and I originally had picked out American Standard Champion 4 as the toilets I wanted installed based on reviews I had read. When we did the sit down with the plumbing people, they talked us into the Toto Entrade. It has the higher rim height for us older folk and has a quiet quick flush that is amazing how well it works. They said Toto has set the standard that everyone is trying to follow. From what I have seen I can not disagree.
Take it from a dumass plumber. Buy a good Kohler. Not the cheap one. American Standard residential and commercial toilets are dog cshit.The toto comercial are ok. No experience with Toto residential toilets yet. Just my opinion.
[/quote]Toto, a Japanese company that started selling toilets in the U.S. in 1989, now has about a third of the $320-million U.S. toilet market. It's gotten that slice with a better trap — a trapway, not a mousetrap. Toto's toilets (such as the Bristol) have longer and less convoluted trapways than traditional toilets, and their 3-inch (vs. 2 inches) flush valve — where the water leaves the tank — makes a big difference, too.[/quote]
BTW we have one thats higher at home right now, from when Grandma was still here. Worst thing to [bleep] on ever. Gets your legs and feet at such a high angle you can't hardly.... next year, it still works, its going to the junk pile. Never have a high one again.
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When low flow toilets came out, 2 or 3 decades ago, they were not very good. And, indeed, the answer was to go to a junkyard and buy and old toilet and replace the seals and install it. Or buy one in Canada, which did not have low flow requirements.
Today the low flow toilets are very good. We have had a Toto for 5 years and never a problem, and I am 6-3 and 225 and I do put a strain on a toilet, if you know what I mean.
Also we got the ADA model, which is the high one, it sure makes life easier for a man to have the high toilet.
Seriously. I have a 14 yr old American Standard that I am ready to take a 10 lb. hammer to. At least once a week, I'm running for the plunger. I want to replace it with one that WORKS! My only requirement for the new one is that it can handle a man sized turd. Would be nice if it were the standard height. Has anyone bought one in the past few years that has been trouble free? Its hard to believe the options available on toilets these days. I feel like I am vehicle shopping.
14-years sounds like it might be one of those "double flush" toilets? e.g. for #1 you just hit the handle, for #2 you have to hold the handle down till the detritus fully exits the room?
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, women think that all of their deposits only warrant a #1 flush. This is in spite of the fact that their actual deposit is at at the very least on par with the men in the house, but more importantly completely ignores the ridiculous volume of toilet paper expended.
In any case, as many have mentioned here, the newer low-flush toilets have apparently solved this gender flush-reluctance problem. I recently installed a 1.28? per flush Kohler that cost me in the $170 range at Lowes. It has no flush options, and every time I hit the lever I marvel at how it can swallow a Peterbuilt sized dougan with ease.
Are y'all saying you don't like the high toilets, also called the "ADA" models? That is weird to me. We have had a standard height toilet for 18 years and that thing was a pain in the ass to me, to coin a phrase. But the fiancee loved it! I am 6-3 and she is 5-2.
So I built an addition 2 years ago and built a new bathroom in there, and I made damn sure to get an ADA model toilet in there. This high toilet is so much more comfortable for me.
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Have an American Standard Champion 4. No problems. Went from clogging every time to no clogs.
Here's what to look for in any brand: fully glazed trapway, largest diameter trapway, largest flush valve size though this is less important.
Then teach everyone in the house how to correctly use a modern toilet--IT MUST BE FLUSHED. USE MORE WATER!!! FLUSH IT AGAIN to put enough water down the drain to keep your sewers moving. Especially if you use "flushable" wipes, which are known sewer cloggers.
Low-flow toilets are responsible for more toxic chemicals being added to the sewage systems than any thing else done in America.
Seriously. I have a 14 yr old American Standard that I am ready to take a 10 lb. hammer to. At least once a week, I'm running for the plunger. I want to replace it with one that WORKS! My only requirement for the new one is that it can handle a man sized turd. Would be nice if it were the standard height. Has anyone bought one in the past few years that has been trouble free? Its hard to believe the options available on toilets these days. I feel like I am vehicle shopping.
Sounds like you need to consider what's going on past the toilet. You most likely have sewer issues, not toilet issues.
I thought of that possibility. Our other toilet, one of the original low-flow models from a lesser known manufacturer, works great. Both toilets connect to the main drain line not all that distant from each other. There is a chance there could be an obstruction in the pipe between them. However, the problem began with the installation of the newer toilet therefore, for now, I am blaming it.
I installed two of the American Standard units that say they can flush a bucket of golf balls... I don't doubt it; they have one hell of a flush! Unlike any non-commercial toilet I've ever used... On the downside, they are noisy; the flush makes a concussive thump you can feel in the floor, and they flush so powerfully that they'll test the ventilation of your drain line system. If you have an older home or questionable drain lines in terms of venting you might not want to use these. Otherwise, it's hard to imagine much of anything clogging the dang things!
14-years sounds like it might be one of those "double flush" toilets? e.g. for #1 you just hit the handle, for #2 you have to hold the handle down till the detritus fully exits the room?
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, women think that all of their deposits only warrant a #1 flush. This is in spite of the fact that their actual deposit is at at the very least on par with the men in the house, but more importantly completely ignores the ridiculous volume of toilet paper expended.
In any case, as many have mentioned here, the newer low-flush toilets have apparently solved this gender flush-reluctance problem. I recently installed a 1.28? per flush Kohler that cost me in the $170 range at Lowes. It has no flush options, and every time I hit the lever I marvel at how it can swallow a Peterbuilt sized dougan with ease.
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No, I believe that the "double flush" models came out after I purchased this one. I would never get one. Even if I did get family trained to be 100% effective on its operation, there would always be guests to worry about.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
I installed two of the American Standard units that say they can flush a bucket of golf balls... I don't doubt it; they have one hell of a flush! Unlike any non-commercial toilet I've ever used... On the downside, they are noisy; the flush makes a concussive thump you can feel in the floor, and they flush so powerfully that they'll test the ventilation of your drain line system. If you have an older home or questionable drain lines in terms of venting you might not want to use these. Otherwise, it's hard to imagine much of anything clogging the dang things!
you would need one like that as full of chit as you are, lmao.
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We have an American Standard , a Kohler and a Toto. The American Standard has the most problems at the worst time, when company comes. It clogs, overflows when the others dont. The American Standards hardware inside is so stupid a carpenter like me can see a better way to engineer it than the way it is made. The chain get flipped around something in there and makes the water run until you notice it won't stop running. I dont know why , after 100 yrs of making a toilet , some still do ant have the monkeys out of them yet. Toto , or Kohler for me. The Toto seems almost like a power flush.
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I lived with my cousin in Washington State, up north of Seattle, for 7 long months. No running water, he had an outhouse. What a stinking s***hole! Good lord did I get sick of it, and this was in spring and summer. What a delight in January on a 20 degree day, that must have been.
No thanks, I now live way out in the wilderness of NC in the mountains, I have 39 acres, but I have indoor plumbing and a delightful Toto toilet. I have no interest in looking down at a turd I dropped 3 days ago, how disgusting.
I lived with my cousin in Washington State, up north of Seattle, for 7 long months. No running water, he had an outhouse. What a stinking s***hole! Good lord did I get sick of it, and this was in spring and summer. What a delight in January on a 20 degree day, that must have been.
No thanks, I now live way out in the wilderness of NC in the mountains, I have 39 acres, but I have indoor plumbing and a delightful Toto toilet. I have no interest in looking down at a turd I dropped 3 days ago, how disgusting.
A bucket of ash from the bucket that resides just works.
American Standard Champion 4 -1.6 gal right height with elongated bowl. 4" flush valve from tank is largest on the market. A whole bunch of water at one time to flush your Jeff O down and through the pipe.
Since entering puberty, I've been afflicted with a bad case of monster turds. It was so bad my father gave me my own plunger for my 13th birthday. I passed this trait on to my sons. In a world of .22 LR toilets, we're pinching 12 GA ammo into the chamber. My #3 son actually killed a 40 yr old American Standard. No amount of plunging would get it to work. I finally had to replace it.
When I did, I remembered what happened to my Dad. I grew up as the son of a landlord. Dad had stopped building houses and apartment buildings and spent the latter half of his working life maintaining a bunch of apartment buildings scattered around town. At 14 he brought me into the business and I was the maintenance man for his buildings until I was about 22. Dad built all these properties in the early to mid-50's. They all had American Standard toilets. That in itself is kind of funny, because he had a brief fling with one of the Kohler heiresses about that time. I never did get all the details. Anyhow, about 27 years into the life of the buildings, the toilets started to give up the ghost and we had to replace them. At first, Dad was buying American Standard replacements, and they were pricey. Finally one day a guy suggested the cheap $70 toilets made in Mexico. Dad bought a couple and our love affair with cheap Mexican vitreous began. We kept 5 in in the storerooms at all times. I got good at replacing toilets so we did not have to call in a plumber. We never had one fail.
When #3 killed an American Standard about a decade ago, I remembered the cheap Mexican toilets. I forget if it was Lowes or Home Depot, but they had a cheap toilet from Glacier Bay for about $90. I put it in. No problems. Also it clogs a lot less than the old American Standard, even though the new one is only a 1.6 Gal job. I've since put one in at Deer Camp.
My point is this: You don't need to go expensive to get good, and even a bunch of Monster Dumpers like us can live happily on a cheap toilet. Nowadays you've got a 3-to-1 price differential between the top-end and the bottom. So far, I've been happy at the bottom.
One other tip for all you monster dumpers:
Dad must have really had a bum time with that Kohler heiress, because he bought American Standard for all his houses too. I'm living in the last one he built. The ballcock died on the one in his bathroom last summer, and china is this funky green color that goes with the decor a lot better than white. I took a chance on a Danco Hydroright ballcock:
It has a handle that allows you to flush a little for #1 and give the full load for #2. It took me some time to get it tuned properly, but I've been very happy with the results. I found that I could set it to use less water than before for #2 flushes and still get fewer plug-ups. The #1 flushes just barely go down, but they use about 1.5 gallons less water. It's all adjustable, so you can tune it to your bum and your tank. I'm happy with mine. I'm going to use these as replacements for all my American Standards as the old Mansfield ballcocks come up for maintenance.
Get a tall Mansfield. The one with the double flush. For water you use only 1/2 the tank and for waste you hold the handle down for a second longer and you get the full flush. Saves a lot of water and flushes quickly. Around $200, but well worth it. When your knees get bad you will appreciate the extra height.
Just go to the local showroom and test drive a few.
People must do this. Go to Home Depot or Lowes and notice how high up in the racks they have the commodes displayed. Ya need binos to see 'em and no way you're looking in the tank without doing some climbing.
We have an American Standard Cadet 3. Not an expensive one, $170 at Lowes, have had it 8 years and pluneed it once or twice. No idea why it ever needed plunged, but with two young kids and a wife....... probably best I don't know.
+1 on the 2 Cadet 3 dual flush I installed when remodeling the bathrooms
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Seriously though, the Mansfield toilets with 3" flush valves will flush about anything you throw at(or more accurately in) them and they are still made in the USA.
Just make sure you get the 3" valve model and 1.6gal flush and you are good. Just put 2 of them in my house a couple months ago...zero issues.
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Seriously though, the Mansfield toilets with 3" flush valves will flush about anything you throw at(or more accurately in) them and they are still made in the USA.
Just make sure you get the 3" valve model and 1.6gal flush and you are good. Just put 2 of them in my house a couple months ago...zero issues.
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Glacier Bay from HD, we have 2, seldom have any problems, they have a straight through shot that seems to help. The seat that comes with the "kit" is not too good, but works. As for the possibility of problems further down the line, use septic tank stuff, even if you are on a regular sewer, be aware that bleach will kill the enzymes and bacteria, though. And maybe you have roots in the line--copper sulfate.
Just my opinion. If your water is metered, get one of the "water-savers" and buy a good plunger. If it ain't metered, buy one of them big sob's with the seat belts.
Aw shucks! I really have to credit Dad for writing this one. He gave the deepest account of his exploits with the Kohler heiress while we made a side trip on a family vacation to drive through the Kohler Company HQ back in '74. Back in the early 50's, Dad was building from March 1 to November 1 in Cincinnati, and then he would take off for Europe for the Winter. It was cheaper living over there. Dad spoke German better than the natives. He was a handsome devil too. He had a boyish Ralph Bellamy look. He was hanging out in Garmish when he met two American chicks travelling together. One was the Kohler girl. They mistook him for a native, not realizing he was from Cincinnati. Dad did nothing to ruin the fantasy. They were thinking about going to Italy, and my father told them he'd chaperone. Somewhere in Italy after a week or two, he fessed up and they weren't put out at all. In fact, he got invited back to go deer hunting with the family. This was the story he relayed to us, driving through Kohler, WI.
Dad did not specify what happened on the deer hunting trip, but I know from other stories that they all went somewhere around Escanaba, MI, and Dad spent most of his time keeping his head down behind a big log. Dad saw where this was all going and did not want to get married and did not want to be an appendage of a toilet heiress and broke things off. Knowing Dad, that probably meant leaving without saying goodbye. Dad didn't like goodbyes.
I have put 2 Kohler Santa Rosas at home. Thefirst replaced a 2 piece with a broken tank, and the 2nd was after a wax ring failed on the very low toilet on the 1/2 bathroom.
They are 1 piece, 1.28 gpf and work well. Good height and install easy.
after almost a month of experimentation I have the solution. before flushing add a cup of detergent ( dishwashing or laundry ). that will lubricate and everything gets flushed.
If you have a full bowl, try holding the handle down until the tank empties. Usually it will shut off with water still in the tank. It's not a fix but it will help while you're contemplating what to buy.
Or, if the sink is upstream of the toilet, you can turn on the water to get more water washing down the pipe to help move things along.
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5 pages of posts and no love for the Gerber toilets? I replaced a clog prone Eljer toilet (needed to be plunged at least once a day) with the Gerber Avalanche at the recommendation of the guy at the plumbing supply house when we did a bathroom renovation. Two years later and still have not needed the plunger. I got one with the insulated tank to prevent sweating as my well water is very cold and it's real humid in the summer here. No more wiping water off the floor and staining of the molding. Highly recommended.