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grandsons are going to start 4H trapshooting soon.......youngest one wants to shoot his 28 guage
I see Cabelas has AA 28 guage on sale , but they are 9 shot, I used to shoot alot of trap myself , but never used anything smaller than 8
will 9s reliably break trap clays ?
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I think your better off with #8 for trap. #9 will break them but loose energy fast.
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I had a class B-A shooter neighbor who would use #9 on calm days, but heavier shot when the wind was blowing.
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From the 16 yard line #9's will break birds, just watch the clays for dusting without breaking. The Win AA 28 gauge factory shells has hard shot which is always a plus.
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Checked with the people running the 4-H trap program? We bought a year's supply for the price break which was passed on to the kids and included 28 ga. for a club gun. A portion of our grant money went to shells so the kids got a really good deal, and free shells for the state shoot if they went. Would've included a couple more flats of 28 ga. if we knew they'd be used. (Promo loads work fine for this, spendy shells don't add anything until you get to serious competition.)
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I've shot my 28 at 16 yard trap, with #9's and skeet chokes. (That's what happens when you forget your trap gun...) Worked fine. I wouldn't want to try it at handicap yardage though.
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Most will say that 9s work for still days, and are better in high and dry climates. It makes sense to me, but I've shot 8's from way back of the trap, like 50 plus yards back of the traphouse. Possibly, the extra pellets might be better in a 28 ga than 8
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At the 16 yard line----no problem. Get him started to shoot trap & he'll be hooked for life. I know I can't get enough. I'm addicted to that "puff of black smoke"
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thanks for the replies........nighthawk......I guess the local pheasants forever chapter will supply shells for the kids , but only 12 and 20
and I would assume the kids will do all their shooting at 16 yards , but dont know for sure
so if the boy wants to shoot his 28 , we will have to pony up for our own ammo
and he is a little shaver for his age , so the 28 is a good fit.......
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Odd they won't kick in a couple flats of 28 ga... It' been a few years since I was involved with the 4-H program. PF was very accommodating and generous. Gave us a Franchi youth model and the lighter aluminum alloy receiver really helped some of the little guys.
Oh yeah, nines should be fine, be happy if he's good enough that it makes a difference. Beginners want to aim so the birds can get way out there. We would count to three with the goal of them firing by the time we got to three. Besides form the birds stay close enough for #9.
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I've shot a lot of #9 for trap, as mentioned they work well enough at the 16 yard line and for the first shot in doubles providing you don't ride the birds too far out. I found a tight choke(Improved Modified or Full) helped as it puts more pellets on the target which can be important with such small shot size.
I often shot #9 with 7/8 oz of shot whether in a 12 ga or a 20 ga so I wasn't using much more than you will find with a 28 ga. When I didn't use one of the larger bores I sometimes used a 28 ga but usually used a 410 which has even less shot. I don't ride the birds much and tend to take the birds pretty close to the house so the pellets tend to have enough energy to cleanly break birds. If he tends to let the birds get out a bit the odds of not breaking a bird go up and it can be an incentive to take the birds a bit quicker. Learning proper hold points is very important as it allows one to see and intercept the target much quicker.
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A friend of mine was a champion trap shooter....saw him shoot a round of trap whth a contender 410 barrel and skeet loads...9 shot... He broke quite a few....sure didn't smoke me but he always said if you are on them they break no matter the load.. It won't be ideal but it will work...
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grandsons are going to start 4H trapshooting soon.......youngest one wants to shoot his 28 guage
I see Cabelas has AA 28 guage on sale , but they are 9 shot, I used to shoot alot of trap myself , but never used anything smaller than 8
will 9s reliably break trap clays ? Only if the shooter's really fast on the shot... Besides that, I didn't think 9s were legal for competition... 8s are minimum IIRC.
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I've shot a lot of #9 for trap, as mentioned they work well enough at the 16 yard line and for the first shot in doubles providing you don't ride the birds too far out. I found a tight choke(Improved Modified or Full) helped as it puts more pellets on the target which can be important with such small shot size.
I often shot #9 with 7/8 oz of shot whether in a 12 ga or a 20 ga so I wasn't using much more than you will find with a 28 ga. When I didn't use one of the larger bores I sometimes used a 28 ga but usually used a 410 which has even less shot. I don't ride the birds much and tend to take the birds pretty close to the house so the pellets tend to have enough energy to cleanly break birds. If he tends to let the birds get out a bit the odds of not breaking a bird go up and it can be an incentive to take the birds a bit quicker. Learning proper hold points is very important as it allows one to see and intercept the target much quicker. This 9's pound the hell out of 16 yd and 1 st shot doubles targets. Powders the birds when you are on them tight. 7/8 oz of 9's have a higher pellet count than 1 1/8 oz of 8's run them at 1200 fps.
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From the ATA rule book: - and I was wrong about shot size.. I thought 8s were legal..
G. GUNS AND AMMUNITION Any shooter violating any of these Rules shall be disqualified from competition in accordance with these Rules. Any such violator shall be referred to the Executive Committee for possible further disciplinary action. A contestant cannot use: 1. A gun with a chamber larger than 12 gauge. Guns of smaller gauges are permissible in registered and tournament shooting, but no competitive consideration shall be given in recognition of that fact for handicap and classification purposes. A contestant may not use a gun capable of chambering more than one gauge of shells at the same time. For example, chambering 12 gauge and 20 gauge shells in the same gun at the same time is prohibited. 2. Loads that contain nickel or copper coated shot or tracer loads. However, the use of lead, steel, bismuth, or other composite non- toxic shot materials shall be allowed. Any gun club allowing shot materials described in this Rule, other than lead, shall be required to cover or shield all hard surfaces on trap fields which are known, or reasonably believed, to cause pellet ricochet with material which will prevent the shot pellets from rebounding and/or ricocheting. 3. Any load with a velocity greater than 1290 FPS (Feet Per Second) with maximum shot charge of 1 1/8 ounces, or 1325 FPS with a maximum shot charge of 1 ounce, or 1350 FPS with a maximum shot charge of 7/8 ounces or less, as measured in any individual shotshell. These velocities are maximum and no individual shotshell shall exceed these limits for the designated shot charge. In addition, no load containing more than 1 1/8 ounces or any shot larger than Number 7 1/2 can be used. Shot charges are maximum and no charge may exceed the charge amount by more than 3%. Steel shot in Number 7 will be acceptable as long as velocity criteria are the same as for lead shot shells.
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It looks to me like 8s are legal. 8 shot is smaller than 7 1/2. Rules prohibit shot larger than 7 1/2.
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Double-checked again.. you're right - no shot larger than 7 1/2 can be used.. Ergo, 8s are legal..
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i just bought a case of 28"s at Cabelas. Herters brand, One ounce #8"s
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I would probably prefer 8's to 9's in a 28-gauge, but they will be fine. The 1-oz. 28-gauge load that the previous poster mentioned should smoke targets, I've used that load with 6's to kill a lot of pheasants and chukars, they are impressive!
The only downside to 28's are the cost of the shells, but if you shop around- you can find them reasonably enough. I think the 28 is my favorite shotgun to shoot! Good luck to the young fella with his!
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Lots of doubles shooters use 9s for the first shot, but that's a very close shot. Never for the second.
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grandsons are going to start 4H trapshooting soon.......youngest one wants to shoot his 28 guage... How's the trap shooting working out for him?
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At the 16 yard line----no problem. Get him started to shoot trap & he'll be hooked for life. I know I can't get enough. I'm addicted to that "puff of black smoke" Me too.
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......... grandsons are going to start 4H trapshooting soon.......youngest one wants to shoot his 28 guage... How's the trap shooting working out for him? the younger grandson shooting the 28 is coming along fine .......improved to hitting 12-15 per 25 round... the older one is having a problem though....hitting is not the problem...he is a pretty good shot for 12 years and eats it up..never wants to quit shooting...the problem is he holds the gun so somehow it thumps him on the cheekbone and he ends up with a nasty bruise we have had him try 3 different guns and it is all the same , I think it is the way he leans into the gun too far , but he is stubborn and says that is the sight picture he likes not sure what to do with him at this point
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A common cause of that is not getting a good cheek weld. The cheek should press firmly on the stock ( but not excessively so) or you get a hammer hitting a nail effect. It also helps in keeping the shooter from raising his head as he pulls the trigger and promotes a consistent mount. It's hard to tell by observation. Could be a stock fit problem but a form imperfection is more likely. Yeah, they can be stubborn. I've spotted form problems where a kid just wouldn't change. After sufficient nagging they'll give in to get that jerk instructor off their back. Then you get a wide eyed look like maybe the old fart knows something when they begin to hit better. Hint: Some kids get a streak of defiance about that age. Had a kid who was coached heavily by his dad and the kid would do pretty much the opposite. Finally his dad backed off and I told the kid the same thing in a different way and progress started to be made.
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......... grandsons are going to start 4H trapshooting soon.......youngest one wants to shoot his 28 guage... How's the trap shooting working out for him? we have had him try 3 different guns and it is all the same , I think it is the way he leans into the gun too far , but he is stubborn and says that is the sight picture he likes Another thing to check: He may be cross dominant and leaning hard into the stock so he gets a better sight picture with his left eye. I shoot a 28ga almost exclusively and I prefer 7 1/2s for clay targets, but 9s will work if that's all you have. 4H here in GA shoots "modified trap" so the shooters are standing right next to the trap. Targets are close and shouldn't be out of range of #9s. Its basically like shooting low 7 in skeet except the trap is set to wobble. If you are going to keep shooting the 28 for clays, I strongly suggest getting a MEC 9000 and reload your shells. It pays for itself pretty quick.
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