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Might spring for a B&C medalist for my T3 at some point. It's real slippery on my leather sand bags.

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Nothing like raw html for good reading...


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Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Nothing like raw html for good reading...
Heck, it's shorter than some of your posts... wink

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I really like a big fat gurl with red 💄 lipstick.

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Many years ago, I bought a 308 Browning Safari, built on the small ring Mauser action, wearing the pencil barre. The rifle was cheap because it had been cut and padded an inch short and the barrel channel had been floated, from the looks of things, with a camp axe.

My intent was to use the action for a custom build. Then I shot it. First three @100, 5/8", first two touching. Let it cool. Second group, 1/2". All this with Federals cheapest load.

What did I do to the rifle? I sealed the ragged float job and bought a case of ammo. What about the short stock? I scouted the scope a little farther up. My daughters love the rifle and I find it handy, especially when heavy winter clothing is in order. Don't mess with excellence.

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I've had several customs built in the last 5 years.
Then I won a Tikka .223 in a raffle.
The Tikka out of the box shot as well as the customs and I now have purchased two more T3s.
They are damned good shooting rifles.

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IF I had it to do over again, YES, I would put lipstick on the pig. Twenty years ago, my pig was a Savage 110 Left Hand Long Action chambered .223 Rem. Heavy barrel with a floppy tupperware stock. Put a cheap Simmons 6.5x20x50 AO scope on top. Dialed down the pre-accu-trigger. Would consistently shoot under 1/2 MOA with handloads when I did my part. Sold it because I did not like the floppy stock. Would love to have that rifle back in a Boyds or McMillan stock.



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If it's a pig it's not worth it. If it's not a pig it don't need it. Want, now..

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About the only thing I can't abide is a bad trigger. Factory triggers either get replaced or worked on until they're acceptable. I was pleasantly surprised with the ruger american trigger. Out of the box it sucked but a quick internet search showed instructions on how to fix it & it worked wonderfully. It now has a very crisp 2.5-3 lb pull and the cost was exactly zero.

I don't mess with the bedding if the rifle's a shooter, there's no reason to if it's not causing problems. I'm about to head out on a prairie dog hunt with four rifles, all of which are sub half Moa rifles. Only one of them is bedded, the other three didn't need it. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

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If it shoots really good, really don't mess with it. An acquaintance owns a 264WM that used to group 5 rounds well under an inch at 100 yards. He took the barreled action out of the stock and cleaned the rifle well, applied car wax to the action/barrel, and floor wax inside the wood stock. After reassembly, he has an 1 1/2" for three shots rifle.

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Do people even look at what they post? What the hell was cowboy Tim trying to say?


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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My Pig was a Ruger All Weather in 280 Remington, Leupold 6X fixed with commercial ammo. It was so accurate out of the box I couldnt help but use it. Perfect meat gitter, no reason at all for any other gun. Killed a couple truck loads with it. I still like it but I use other 280's now.


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Then I wouldn't be a pig any more......no matter the looks of a rifle.....1st it must shoot well.....then good glass is a must...all the other goodies are ok if it improves function.....I have collector guns and that is what they are....they do go hunting from time to time. But for me I like the pigs....you can hunt them hard and they will preform as well as a princess.....

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If it's a good shooter, then I'll add good glass and maybe a trigger if it needs it.

As to the initial cost of the rifle, I've used bullets delivered to the proper spot far more often than a sales receipt to bring an animal down.

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I have a "pig" with a bit of lipstick. It's a Stevens 200 chambered in .223. Picked it up on sale for 260.00 about 7 years ago now. It shot pretty decently right from the start but I hated the tupperware stock. Ended up bedding it into a Boyd's nutmeg laminate prarie hunter stock and installing a Rifle Basix trigger. Now it feels and fits me much better and is absolutely the most accurate rifle in my safe. It shoots the nicest, itty bitty, 100 yard cloverleaf groups you ever saw with 53 grain V-Max's over H4895.

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I love dressing up My Pig's, I am a Tikka T3X whore so I like to change out the bolt shroud with a stainless from Glade's Amory ($64) I swap out the stock action screws with Tikka Precision stainless screws ($20) and I love the machined aluminum bottom metal from Mountain tactical ( this is a very nice upgrade for $139)...I dont think it makes My rifles any more accurate as they are already scarey accurate but I think these improvements add to the asthetics of My rifles and I enjoy them more......Hb

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Originally Posted by 79S
Do people even look at what they post? What the hell was cowboy Tim trying to say?



I thought it was Stickanese without the pictures.

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I have two.
Tikka Hunter 222 and a CZ 452 American.
I put a trigger in the CZ and adjusted the Tika's trigger as low as it would go before I fired either.
I ain't touching either one of em again.

And that's coming from a compulsive tinkerer.

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