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I am getting tired of reading about how great the 6.5 C is. I think if I had one I'd have it converted into a 264 Win. Mag. and then really have something. Assuming the action would handle the change, of course. Maybe even a 6.5-06. The writers all seem to extoll the virtues of the bullets available. But with the 6.5 C the velocity is so much lower than can easily be achieved by using a larger case and more powder. Why not use the larger cased version of the 6.5 and really make some headway. Marketing, marketing, marketing. Bah humbug, I say.


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Honest question - what is your total centerfire round count for the past 12 months?

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Creedmoor is way cheaper if you shoot a lot. Out to 300 yards it will kill an animal just as dead as a 264.

I have three 264's and a 26 Nosler, I like them all. I have two Creeds, a Savage and Vanguard. Granddaughter took my Savage. I think a lot of the popularity of the Creed is the name. It has cool factor from the get go.

People on the Creedmoor forum say you are a commie liberal if a hunter doesn't own a Creed.

It his hard for its size, but doesn't hit you or your wallet near as hard as a bigger 6.5.

I think if you had one, you wouldn't be as tired.

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6.5x55 around since 1894.


All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Originally Posted by Rolly
I am getting tired of reading about how great the 6.5 C is. I think if I had one I'd have it converted into a 264 Win. Mag. and then really have something. Assuming the action would handle the change, of course. Maybe even a 6.5-06. The writers all seem to extoll the virtues of the bullets available. But with the 6.5 C the velocity is so much lower than can easily be achieved by using a larger case and more powder. Why not use the larger cased version of the 6.5 and really make some headway. Marketing, marketing, marketing. Bah humbug, I say.


Tell us how to turn a Creed action into a 6.5-06 or a .264 magnum again?

What are the ranges you generally shoot from in a hunting situation?


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Anything in 6.5 flavor for me my thank you.




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Let's see how a 6.5 130gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity of 2900fps(I don't know if it gets this velocity,I don't own one) compares to my obsolete 30-06 with 168gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity 3036fps(mine will get this) out to 1000yds with a 200yd zero.
http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.488 Velocity (ft/s) 2900 Weight (grains) 130
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 6.5 Creedmore
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 2900 2428 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2710 2120 1.6 -1.6 -0.5 0 0 0
200 2528 1844 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2353 1598 -7.1 2.2 0.7 0 0 0
400 2185 1378 -20.4 4.9 1.4 0 0 0
500 2023 1182 -41.1 7.8 2.3 0 0 0
600 1870 1009 -70.3 11.2 3.3 0 0 0
700 1724 858 -109.4 14.9 4.3 0 0 0
800 1587 727 -160.3 19.1 5.6 0 0 0
900 1461 616 -225 23.9 6.9 0 0 0
1000 1346 523 -306 29.2 8.5 0 0 0


Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.475 Velocity (ft/s) 3036 Weight (grains) 168
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 30-06 Springfield
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 3036 3438 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2835 2997 1.4 -1.4 -0.4 0 0 0
200 2642 2605 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2458 2254 -6.4 2 0.6 0 0 0
400 2281 1941 -18.6 4.4 1.3 0 0 0
500 2112 1663 -37.5 7.2 2.1 0 0 0
600 1949 1418 -64.2 10.2 3 0 0 0
700 1795 1202 -100 13.6 4 0 0 0
800 1650 1016 -146.7 17.5 5.1 0 0 0
900 1515 857 -206.2 21.9 6.4 0 0 0
1000 1392 723 -280.8 26.8 7.8 0 0 0


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I don't understand why people get excited about a .264 or a 6.5-06. They just don't have near the power of some other cartridges out there today. If it were me, I'd probable convert it to a 375 CheyTac or maybe 20mm. Marketing marketing marketing......

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Let's see how a 6.5 130gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity of 2900fps(I don't know if it gets this velocity,I don't own one) compares to my obsolete 30-06 with 168gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity 3036fps(mine will get this) out to 1000yds with a 200yd zero.
http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.488 Velocity (ft/s) 2900 Weight (grains) 130
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 6.5 Creedmore
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 2900 2428 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2710 2120 1.6 -1.6 -0.5 0 0 0
200 2528 1844 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2353 1598 -7.1 2.2 0.7 0 0 0
400 2185 1378 -20.4 4.9 1.4 0 0 0
500 2023 1182 -41.1 7.8 2.3 0 0 0
600 1870 1009 -70.3 11.2 3.3 0 0 0
700 1724 858 -109.4 14.9 4.3 0 0 0
800 1587 727 -160.3 19.1 5.6 0 0 0
900 1461 616 -225 23.9 6.9 0 0 0
1000 1346 523 -306 29.2 8.5 0 0 0


Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.475 Velocity (ft/s) 3036 Weight (grains) 168
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 30-06 Springfield
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 3036 3438 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2835 2997 1.4 -1.4 -0.4 0 0 0
200 2642 2605 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2458 2254 -6.4 2 0.6 0 0 0
400 2281 1941 -18.6 4.4 1.3 0 0 0
500 2112 1663 -37.5 7.2 2.1 0 0 0
600 1949 1418 -64.2 10.2 3 0 0 0
700 1795 1202 -100 13.6 4 0 0 0
800 1650 1016 -146.7 17.5 5.1 0 0 0
900 1515 857 -206.2 21.9 6.4 0 0 0
1000 1392 723 -280.8 26.8 7.8 0 0 0


You are forgetting the terrible recoil difference in the two.


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My 6.5 cm is a short action. So neither the 6.5-06 or 264 wm would fit. Either way if you want a better 6.5 get the weatherby 6.5-300 those numbers look Impressive.

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Originally Posted by Rolly
But with the 6.5 C the velocity is so much lower than can easily be achieved by using a larger case and more powder.


No szchit sherlock.
Heck, why the .308 when a 300 Ultra is so much more of a good thing. crazy crazy


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Originally Posted by Rolly
I am getting tired of reading about how great the 6.5 C is. I think if I had one I'd have it converted into a 264 Win. Mag. and then really have something. Assuming the action would handle the change, of course. Maybe even a 6.5-06. The writers all seem to extoll the virtues of the bullets available. But with the 6.5 C the velocity is so much lower than can easily be achieved by using a larger case and more powder. Why not use the larger cased version of the 6.5 and really make some headway. Marketing, marketing, marketing. Bah humbug, I say.


Why would I be tired of the 6.5 Creedmoor.

It makes me appreciate my 260 Rems I've had for the last 20 years....

and with the 6.5 x 57 or 6.5 x 55... there is no need for a 6.5/06...
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I'm going to build a Creedmoor. I don't need/want a 6.5 Magnum of any kind.

Forget what it's called, or what the cool kids think of it. It's just a 6.5mm that fits in a svelt SA, is built on the 250 Savage case, blown out with a 30* shoulder. It's miserly with powder, and like its parent has mild recoil, killing out of proportion to its kick.

IMO, one of the finest cartridges of my 56 years. Really, it's about ideal for the average American hunter that shoots 20 shots a year. OR for the guy that shoots 2,000.

Scratching head here...


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Originally Posted by Rolly
I am getting tired of reading about how great the 6.5 C is.


Whenever I get tired of reading about a particular subject, I do something revolutionary, totally out of the box.

I stop reading about it.



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Originally Posted by SKane
Originally Posted by Rolly
But with the 6.5 C the velocity is so much lower than can easily be achieved by using a larger case and more powder.


No szchit sherlock.
Heck, why the .308 when a 300 Ultra is so much more of a good thing. crazy crazy


Kind of easy to see who shoots.

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Im sorry but I dont get the Creedmore craze either, I have never been a recoil wuss....maybe the less powder thing but if you figure the money I put into My rifles and shooting saving a little powder seems kind of insignifincant...What I can see is buying another rifle to play with cause you want too...Ha!......Hb

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Originally Posted by Ringman
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Originally Posted by baldhunter
Let's see how a 6.5 130gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity of 2900fps(I don't know if it gets this velocity,I don't own one) compares to my obsolete 30-06 with 168gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity 3036fps(mine will get this) out to 1000yds with a 200yd zero.
http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.488 Velocity (ft/s) 2900 Weight (grains) 130
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 6.5 Creedmore
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 2900 2428 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2710 2120 1.6 -1.6 -0.5 0 0 0
200 2528 1844 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2353 1598 -7.1 2.2 0.7 0 0 0
400 2185 1378 -20.4 4.9 1.4 0 0 0
500 2023 1182 -41.1 7.8 2.3 0 0 0
600 1870 1009 -70.3 11.2 3.3 0 0 0
700 1724 858 -109.4 14.9 4.3 0 0 0
800 1587 727 -160.3 19.1 5.6 0 0 0
900 1461 616 -225 23.9 6.9 0 0 0
1000 1346 523 -306 29.2 8.5 0 0 0


Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.475 Velocity (ft/s) 3036 Weight (grains) 168
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 30-06 Springfield
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 3036 3438 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2835 2997 1.4 -1.4 -0.4 0 0 0
200 2642 2605 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2458 2254 -6.4 2 0.6 0 0 0
400 2281 1941 -18.6 4.4 1.3 0 0 0
500 2112 1663 -37.5 7.2 2.1 0 0 0
600 1949 1418 -64.2 10.2 3 0 0 0
700 1795 1202 -100 13.6 4 0 0 0
800 1650 1016 -146.7 17.5 5.1 0 0 0
900 1515 857 -206.2 21.9 6.4 0 0 0
1000 1392 723 -280.8 26.8 7.8 0 0 0


You are forgetting the terrible recoil difference in the two.

My guns don't kick.


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Too much of not enough to do and presto: 6.5 Creedmore.


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I'm usually the last guy to John mp on a bandwagon, but I do like to try new stuff. Hence, I bought a Bergara in 6.5 Creedmoor. Why? Because I liked the look of a case I found at the range and needed something different to play with. I found it to be a mild round that is easy to load for and load accurately. My current load shoots three Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic tips at 2950 into groups small enough to get called a liar. What will I use it for? Killing whitetail out to about 200 yds, with 75 yards a more common shot. I can't think of anything a .264 mag or 6.5-06 could do for me, under my conditions, better than the Creedmoor, except be louder and cost more. It's a nice round in a very serviceable, but not pretty rifle. I'll continue to use it. If it doesn't work for you, OK, but I wouldn't crap on it prior to trying it.

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Originally Posted by baldhunter
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Originally Posted by baldhunter
Let's see how a 6.5 130gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity of 2900fps(I don't know if it gets this velocity,I don't own one) compares to my obsolete 30-06 with 168gr Nosler BT muzzle velocity 3036fps(mine will get this) out to 1000yds with a 200yd zero.
http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.488 Velocity (ft/s) 2900 Weight (grains) 130
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 6.5 Creedmore
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 2900 2428 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2710 2120 1.6 -1.6 -0.5 0 0 0
200 2528 1844 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2353 1598 -7.1 2.2 0.7 0 0 0
400 2185 1378 -20.4 4.9 1.4 0 0 0
500 2023 1182 -41.1 7.8 2.3 0 0 0
600 1870 1009 -70.3 11.2 3.3 0 0 0
700 1724 858 -109.4 14.9 4.3 0 0 0
800 1587 727 -160.3 19.1 5.6 0 0 0
900 1461 616 -225 23.9 6.9 0 0 0
1000 1346 523 -306 29.2 8.5 0 0 0


Your Input Variables
Ballistic Coefficient 0.475 Velocity (ft/s) 3036 Weight (grains) 168
Maximum Range (yds) 1000 Interval (yds) 100 Drag Function G1
Sight Height (inches) 1.5 Shooting Angle (degrees) 0 Zero Range (yds) 200
Wind Speed (mph) 0 Wind Angle (degrees) 90 Altitude (ft) 0
Pressure (hg) 29.53 Temperature (F) 59 Humidity (%) 0.78
Ballistics Results - 30-06 Springfield
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils
Muzzle 3036 3438 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0
100 2835 2997 1.4 -1.4 -0.4 0 0 0
200 2642 2605 0 0 0 0 0 0
300 2458 2254 -6.4 2 0.6 0 0 0
400 2281 1941 -18.6 4.4 1.3 0 0 0
500 2112 1663 -37.5 7.2 2.1 0 0 0
600 1949 1418 -64.2 10.2 3 0 0 0
700 1795 1202 -100 13.6 4 0 0 0
800 1650 1016 -146.7 17.5 5.1 0 0 0
900 1515 857 -206.2 21.9 6.4 0 0 0
1000 1392 723 -280.8 26.8 7.8 0 0 0


You are forgetting the terrible recoil difference in the two.

My guns don't kick.

But you don't understand.
Dingbatman uses a muzzle brake to tame the vicious recoil of the .270
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