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The annual Campfire gathering at Armijo Springs Campground in the Apache National Forest of New Mexico is scheduled for the weekend of July 28 through 30, 2017. Participants should plan to arrive as early and stay on as long as you would like, and the planned opening event will be the evening meal at about 7PM on Friday, July 28. Breakfast on Saturday AM, the evening dinner on Saturday and breakfast on Sunday also are prepared meals. Be sure to bring your own in-between snacks and plenty of drinks (some to share?) for the weekend.

The surroundings are excellent and level camping spaces are ample. Running water is not available. There is a forest service toilet at the campground. Assistance and items needed will be identified as this thread progresses - so please stay tuned.

Planned shooting events will take place on Saturday but there will be plenty of space and time for safe shooting throughout the weekend. Complete descriptions of shooting events will be posted later in this thread and will include shoots for rimfire and centerfire rifles of different sorts at ranges from 35 to 300 yards, and probably some handgun events as well.

From the north, drive US 60 to Quemado, NM and then drive about 18 miles south on NM Route 32. After marker 24 and at the sign for Armijo Springs, turn left/east on A021 driving about 4 miles until the “Y” and turn right to the campground.

From the south, drive NM Route 12 to Apache Creek and then drive NM 32 northbound past marker 23 then see the sign for Armijo Springs. Turn right/east onto A021 and follow same info as above.

If you have questions, please chime in. We will be aiming to have a final head count by a week or more before the gathering..

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I'm planning on being there,if work allows it this time.

I plan on making it and so does Alan. Not sure if Mike can make it or not.

Well if the Creeks don't rise....

you guys will probably be stuck with me once again...

don't know if the Wife can get off of work tho, as they are doing
a hospital wide software conversion, that hasn't been going smoothly
and this is the Hospital's 3rd try....

Will be good to see you bums once again...

I'll be there. Probably on the Tuesday before.

Looking forward to seeing all y'all once again and renewing are friendships.


Jeff

Probably not going to make it this year. My son flies back from Maryland on July 29th and I've got to pick him up in Denver.

I've requested the weekend off. I'm planning on going even if I travel solo.

Judy

Erik - can you get him to fly into Alb on the 28th? If so, both of you could do the entire gathering. You will be missed if you don't make it here.

Unfortunately, he's traveling with a group, so we don't get to pick airports and dates. There's an outside chance if my wife's schedule works out.

I'm going to try to make it, have some more help this year, so hopefully I can get loose.

This is +++ - will be good to have you in the gang again.

Duh....

As usual, I plan to be there. Most likely early. miles

Me too, though possibly only for a day or two, if I do not figure out how safely to board my dogs.

I might even be able to bring some of my family if I am able to work around their own travel plans!

You might like to see a few of my oddball guns, too. Norm

Anjin - maybe bring the dogs? They probably would have some canine company.

My attendance, this year, is still in question. If I can find someone to stay with, or at lest periodically check in on Steph, I may be able to swing it. But she's really to the point where she shouldn't be alone for stretches over 10-12 hours.

Bob - we sure hope you can be in our midst. Is there a way that any among us can help?

Not really Paul! Thanks! Good days any not so good. Appreciate it!!!

We will try - but, our scheduling ahead is in question, at this point. (Even more than normal)

Understandable Mark,you have bigger concerns to take care of.

Finally don't have the work commitment but the one who must be obeyed says we have to have the kids in camp that Sunday morning so that we can have no kids the following week. Hope to make one of these soon!

Sneak away from "the one who must be obeyed" and come on down.

We'll make up a story that you were kidnapped by aliens.

I need to sort things in honor if Ivan...

Maybe we need to dedicate this years gathering in honor of Ivan

Precisely.

Owl that is a Great idea.

Very nice thought, but there are four dogs here, all Jack Russell Terriers, and not so well socialized with other dogs. I can leave them alone only for a day. I think, but I am trying to get family to come, so the need is to board them locally for any longer than that.

Family is all visiting relatives in Japan (at long last) but I booked them all to return on July 25, so they can experience the "real outdoors" at Armijo Springs, Malpais, Pie Town, etc.

Stupid dogs found a rattler in the fenced backyard today so I had to dispatch it. They are little hunters and would not leave it alone. From the oval markings on the back it appears to be another Mojave Green.

Well Anjin - FOUR Jack Russels in camp - and being not well socialized - might be a challenge in more ways than one. "Smoke", the wonderful lab that comes with RIO7 is highly trained and seems to handle almost anything calmly. That sweet Golden that sometimes comes with Roninphx is also pretty settled. But, "Ruby" the devilish Blue Lacey might be another story - apparently she is being tough on critters up in AK. Hope you succeed with the boarding and are able to get to the event.

Mohave Greens eh? What is your elevation/vegetation there?

Sure wish I could make it to one of these. Maybe next year I can hit this or the pig hunt.

I have several pounds of ground wild boar (from the Campfire Hog Hunt) I can bring. It's not seasoned for sausage yet but either I can season it, or someone else can take a stab at it.

Thanks, Patrick. Very nice. Would you PM krp and discuss fitting that into his meal deal? Sure glad that you are coming.

Yes i would also like to make thi sEvent and or the Hog Hunt sometime!

As I love to see old friends as always, I am disappointed a few "new guys" like GopherGunner or Brent (Aka Yetti)
can't make it....

I can guarantee the "usual crowd"..that both of these gentlemen would make a wonderful addition to the Family
we've become at Quemado every year...

Quite a few other campfire members I've had the pleasure to meet, that I wish could make it down this year and
every year.

Despite all the campfire slander and argument constantly, I've sure met a fine bunch of folks in my travels and
my trips to Roosevelt Lake and Quemado each year.

Sure wish Brent could make it and also bring his family, wonderful folks... I think his older son Gunner would be
quite the hit with the rest of the campfire folks to boot. He is a future candidate for being a campfire member himself.

Nice thoughts, John. Thanks.

P.S. Not Q - the event is at Armijo Springs.

This far away Paul, I just call it Quemado....

I think it has to do with Ken Howell living there in Quemado...and respecting Ol Ken...

Also when someone in AlbyQue pointed out to me it meant Burnt in Spanish...

Of course I can refer to it as ArmyJo Springs if you'd prefer...

Being an out of towner, I'm not all hip on that Mexican pronunciation of New Mexico Stuff...

Hi Guys!

I am hoping to be able to come to the gathering this year, though not 100% sure yet.

Out of curiosity [and since I missed the last two years], what yardages are the various shooting events? Would like to get stuff sighted in at appropriate distances so it doesn't delay anything.

All the best to the guys who make this a real bright spot in the year!

John, it's all good. Due to past factors not worth mentioning and some "location" confusion at times, in recent years we have tried to be rather precise about the actual site at Armijo Springs. Glad you are coming again.

Hi Leonard - excellent if you can join in again. We've missed you and bro. Looks like the usual shoot descriptions/distances will be posted on this thread in a day or so..

Normally, dennisinaz and I have been setting up and running the shooting contests. He's going to be absent this summer, and I asked some guys from the core group to share the load. They jumped right in with all feet and are doing a great job. Thanks to Ben, Miles, Randy, Darby and Jeff, we will get everything set up and the show will run in style. Although we have quite a few serious and excellent shooters who compete strongly, the competition is very friendly and the fun camaraderie abundant. If you've never been to this shindig, might want to give the idea some extra effort. Here are descriptions/specs the shoots for this summer at Armijo Springs.

FRIDAY 7/28
5:00 pm – Turkey Rimfire Shoot
Shooters may use any rim fire sporting rifle with open or aperture sights (no scope or lighted lens sights) and may fire standing, sitting, prone, with various pods/shooting sticks, freehand, etc. or also from a clear bench with only elbows touching bench. (No equipment on bench.) Once at the firing line, total time allowed is 4 minutes. Target will be a reduced-size picture of a turkey at approximately 30 yards, with a colored dot at a vital place. Smallest 5 shot group having at least one shot within the dot scores highest. If competing, a shooter may not use the same rifle as another person. There may be second and third place winners.

6:30 pm – Long Range .22 Rimfire Shoot
Shooters may use any .22 rim fire sporting rifle, any sights and shoot from any position. Total time allowed once at the firing spot is 5 minutes. Shooters will fire five shots at a suitable target spot at a distance of approximately 150 yards. The shooter firing the smallest 5 shot group having at least one shot within the target spot scores highest. Group size measured OS to OS of spread. If competing, a shooter may not use the same rifle as another person. There may be second and third place winners.

SATURDAY 7/29
8:00 am - Prairie Dog Single Shot
Shooters may use any sporting firearm (not a dedicated target/competition type rifle), any sights, and shoot from any position. Total time allowed once at the firing spot is 3 minutes. Shooters will fire one shot from a cold barrel at a simulated PD with 1/2" dot on chest at a distance of approximately 200 yards. Shot closest to the center of the dot is the winner. If competing, a shooter may not use the same rifle as another person. There may be second and third place winners.

10:00 am – Center Fire Tight Group Shoot
Shooters may use any sporting center fire firearm (not a dedicated target/competition type rifle), any sights, and shoot from any position. Total time allowed once at the firing spot is 5 minutes. Shooters will fire three shots at a suitable target spot 100 yards distant. The smallest three-shot group with at least one shot in the spot is the winner. Group size measured OS to OS of spread. If competing, a shooter may not use the same rifle as another person. There may be second and third place winners.

1:00 PM Steel Shoot
Steels will be painted for ease of scoring and will be set at approximately 100, 200, & 300 yards. Shooters will take 6 shots, must call each shot, and at least one shot must be taken at each distance. Shooters may fire standing, sitting, prone, with various pods/shooting sticks, freehand, etc. or also from a clear bench with only elbows touching bench. (No equipment on bench.) Total time allowed once at the firing spot is 6 minutes. Shooting order will be determined by draw. There may be second and third place winners.

2:30 PM Bowling Pin Shoot
Pairs of competitors will shoot handguns from 25 ft at five bowling pins on a 4x8 ft table. For large caliber guns Pins are set 6" from the front of the table, 18" apart. Two shooters compete in a match and the first to get all 5 pins off of his or her table wins that match. For .22 rim fire participants, pins are set 6" from the back of the table. For those shooting .38 specials/9mms, pins are set in the middle of the table. Shooters are allowed 18 shots, but must load 6 at a time during the 18-shot string. The competition is a double elimination format. Must be 15 or under to use .22 but can choose other if desired.

I wish I could join you. See those crags behind WCCs barn? I'll be eyeballing those that weekend. First trip West since '75. Y'all have fun!

Thanks Lockhart. Have a safe and fun trip.

well, at least I don't need to develop any .458 loads...

Is anyone coming through ABQ with a vehicle large enough to haul the "bowling pin tables" - broken down. of course ?
Due to recent developments, I'm not sure "The Warden" and I will make it - and it would save others some work on building more.
We could get them to ABQ fairly easily - for pick-up.

Mark, if ABQ is Albuquerque, NM, I should be coming thru Monday 24, around 2-3 pm. I'll be pulling a trailer with the 4-wheeler, so it shouldn't be a problem to pick up the broken down tables.

That's my plans, unless something comes up that changes them.

Randy

Randy, coming down I-40, you might not be too far from where Mark lives. I have not been there but remember the turnoff for Las Vegas. miles

Guys, Mark is on the ball with this. Thanks, Mark. But, he lives at minimum an hour north of I40 - and sure will get them down to ABQ as he says. Thanks, Randy, for being willing to do the pickup.

Miles - when will you get into camp?

Everyone - that posting by Mark, Randy and Miles is a reminder that we are about one month from the event. We will need a participant count final by a week before we start to be prepared with food, minimum shelter, sufficient dip tanks, Febreeze, etc..

When you are sure you are coming, please CHIME IN with a number in your party and one of us will keep a count. If you think to use "CHIME IN" in that post, us old dudes are more likely to notice.

Thanks.

P.S. We are going to need some rain for a while - starting fairly soon.

If Randy picks up the tables from Mark I can bring cordless implements and screws to assemble them as I did last year.

Will be there early in the week, don't know how long I can stay...that work stuff ya know....

Any fish at Quemado lake? water level etc?

Plan on bringing the 'yak and fishing my way there and home again.



^^^ ol' fardt on funny boat <grin>

Brian, the lake was up a bit and better in early spring. I have been way busy and have not been over there since mid-March. The bite can be good in summer, but the rainbows are poor to eat when the water is warm/mucky. Weather has been very warm to hot here - more than usual for June - and zero recent runoff. The Muskies over 40" are there for the taking - but can't speak for taste at this time of year.

I'll be coming, the wife is anchored at work unfortunately...

If need by, I can swing thru ABQ with my trailer, and pick up the tables if any other option falls thru...

Will have plenty of room in it for that sort of stuff...

just let me know...

oh, and I am planning on coming in early also...

Thanks, John. Good.

Paul, can't say for sure when I will get there, right now, but early is always good. miles

As many of you know, Dennis will not be at Armijo Springs this year, and he will be missed, because he kinda took the lead in the shooting events. He brought targets, steels, and just generally helped set-up and run the shooting events.

So, in his absence, I will be responsible for the Steel Shoot. I just hope I dont mess things up too bad.

I received a pm this morning, asking about the rules for the Steel Shoot, particularly about what equipment may or may not be used. Here is what we came up with and why we decided to do it this way.

The rules Paul (CCCC) posted are correct, but a question has been asked about using tripods.

The why- We have 3 bench shooting contest scheduled for this event... .22 LR long range, Prairie Dog Shoot, and the 3 Shot. The Steel Shoot is more about shooting from hunting positions. To keep this contest from being another bench shooting event, without the bench, certain shooting aids will not be permitted. For example, lots of people shoot prone off a bag, that's ok, but no rear rest for the stock. Another, lots of people shoot from a chair, with shooting sticks, that's ok.

The what- Tripods come in many configurations. So to answer the question about tripods, here are examples of what will be ok and what wont.

These are ok...

A bag of some sort for a front rest... front rest only, no rear bag for the stock. Remember also, if using bench, elbows only touching bench and no other equipment on the bench.



A tripod to support the gun... again front rest only.



These rest will not be ok...

This was designed to be a bench shooting aid



This tripod has a front rest and a rest for the stock



If anyone has anymore questions, post it here or send me a pm. I'll get an answer to you just as quick as I can.

Thanks, Randy. This is nothing new - as D and I have set up and run the various shoots over the years, we always had some normal bench resting shoots. In all contests that were not done with common bench set ups, the rules have never allowed both front and rear rest.

Let's have fun.

Good afternoon.

I plan on being the Armijo Springs no later than Tuesday afternoon. If I get packed quick enough, maybe Monday evening.

I spoke to Dennis a few days ago. I have access to his target stands and frames. I'll bring them along. I can also bring my yellow pipe gong if we need it. Just let me know. Paul, I know that Dennis gave you a bunch of targets that I had. Do I need to print more of them ? What else is needed ? We we have enough 1" & 4" orange stickers ?

As for meals prior to KRP arriving. Do any of you want to try to plan a group type of thing? Eat on your own? Or just play it by ear ?

Paul, has the forest service closed the are to open fires ?

Jeff - if it is OK with D for you to bring his heavy shooting bench with the pipe screw legs, that would be a big help. Please DO NOT ask D about bringing his good spotting scope. We need to get a good one here from within the rest of our gang.

D did have some printed targets up here, but am thinking those were used later. I will look - don't think I have those.

Any steel/gong stuff you can bring without hassle to yourself may prove helpful.

Randy generously indicated that he will be bringing some 1', 2" and 3" target dots. If you have some 4", they might get used by us half-blind guys. I need some 1/2" spots to make targets for the PD shoot, but should be able to make those.

Don't know what to say about casual camp meals before Kent arrives - maybe just bring plenty of jerky, sardines, and canned beans. And plan to sleep outdoors.

I was worried about any July event simply because of dry forest, but have wished not to spread any worry - so stayed silent while hoping the summer afternoon/evening thunderstorms would start soon. They have not - and no density building so far.

The FS has not yet posted any fire danger or limited closure signs near here - but without some moisture soon they are likely to implement such. The first step would be "no campfires except in FS cook grill sets" and "no fireworks" - and progress from there. A gathering without a nice big campfire is a downer. If the situation becomes really bad, they could prohibit camping (except in a place like the parking lot at the lake - would not wish to do that again because we had to travel some distance for shooting). Not likely to get to that level.

We need some moisture flowing up from the G of CA - the stuff that gets the AZ monsoon going. Will one of you AZ guys hurry down there, do some crazy dance, and get it started? Will keep all posted on the FS situation.

We have the internet, working here on the ranch again, after almost a month of interrupted service, I plan on coming to the gathering again this year, please advise me if there's any thing we need I can bring. don't have any rain, if I did I would leave some here and bring the rest there. Rio7

Hi Blue - FANTASTIC that you're gonna be with the gang again. The "what we need" list will continue to develop on this thread during the next three weeks - so it'll get done.

To all, for starters:
I will bring a huge tarp for the main gather shade/rain shelter and think I have sufficient rope. Also will bring at least one rifle stand and a couple of big target frames. And a ladder - in case we need to get someone out of (or up into) a tree again.

We now have a nice big dedicated flag - Darby will bring that.

Need a few folding tables for food and general service - who can?

Bring 'yer own chairs/stools. And beverages (some to share?). And snacks. And maybe a roll of TP.

We sure could use one of those pop-up sun shelters for the shooting contest firing spot. The sun usually becomes intense after a while, and a shade would help the guy running the shoot - as well as the shooter. Anyone?

More later.

P.S. - enjoyed a brief afternoon rain shower today. Not a bunch of moisture, but a start for the season. Keep dancin'.

Kent (KRP), I'm guessing that you will be there and as usual taking charge of the most important event to take place at Armijo Springs... Feeding us bums!

Count me in for 6 doz. eggs to be used whenever you say. I'll also bring my stove and fuel. Anything else I can help you with, just let me know.

Have not seen KRP online since the passing of Bigbuck215. I may need to give him a call on the ding-a-ling...

Blue, this is great news. Looking forward to seeing you again this year. Are you going to be pulling your little converted cargo trailer again ?

And once again... Cannot thank you enough for the brass that you brought last year. Thank you !


Jeff

Ok, I'll come back for this thread only.

Food wise this week I've caught a bunch of crappie so we will have friday fish fry as usual.



Tentative menu is fish and pork + fixins for friday night

Big breakfast of meat, eggs, B&G for saturday morning

Lunch is hotdogs and DARBY's chili

Saturday night is AZ/MEX dutchoven enchiladas, tacos, rice&beans

Sunday morning is breakfast burritos and french toast.

I'll be up Thursday evening or Friday morning.

Anyone wanting to bring something post it here... i.e. Randy's eggs and I'll put it on my list. Otherwise I will buy it and bring it. Hotdogs, buns, coleslaw, eggs, breakfast meat, potatoes ect.

I'll have all the main dishes and condiments, seasonings.

Thanks,

Kent

I did come to pay my respects to Sandy, I was able to say goodbye to Ivan through facebook as he was both my wife and my friend there, Cheryl was also able to share some with Sandy as her and Ivan talked often during his trips down to Tonto, they stayed up late around the fire discussing life and losses.

Kent

Fellows, this picture is proof that Mrs. Cheryl is a better fisherman than Kent!

Looks like "The Warden" will have a chemo session the 26th - so I doubt seriously we will make it.
As it seems we will be visiting Rio Rancho a LOT in the next few months, I can easily get the tables to my daughter's (she lives in Rio Rancho).
I should be taking Joy to the hospital tomorrow - and picking her back up around Sunday (observation period)
I'll see what arrangements Janet (our daughter) can make to transfer the tables. We WILL work it out.

That's not even in question... she's kills me at fishing.

Kent

Mark I wish both of you my best and sending prayers..

Kent

Mark, I am sorry to hear the news about Joy's. illness. you are in my prayers.

Jeff, yes I an going to pull my white trailer again thus year, it's very handy to haul my stuff , and makes a passable camper, sense I only do this camping thing once a year anymore I don't need much. and I gave my Adrenalin, camper to my son, not looking forward to the long drive, but this year I am going to take 2 1/2 days instead of 1 1/2 days to make the trip there. looking forward to seeing everyone again this year.

Paul,I will check in once in awhile, let me know if I can help in any way. Rio7

Thanks for the prayers, y'all - we'll miss the camaraderie!

Mark, I sure hate to hear about Mrs. Joy's illness. We'll miss yall this year and you know you're in our prayers.

You speak for all of us!

Norm

Mark, prayers in behalf of Joy, her caretakers, you and your family.

Kent, Paul, I have a couple of 6' tables I can bring.

Blue, it is a LONG trip. Take your time and keep safe.

I'm getting excited to see everyone and to re-kindle our friendships.



Jeff

Mark, we are going to miss Joy and you a bunch - important pieces missing. Please give her our best and listen for the prayers.

Mark and Joy, we will miss you both.

Kent, here are the plans right now:
Myself, Brenna, Shari, AJ the toddler.
Have invited family that enjoys shooting. Waiting to hear if they can come or not.

Now, speaking of sweet tooths out there, do you want desserts? Choices are fruit enchiladas, cheesecake sopapillas, jello cake, or I can look for recipes for something else.

Judy

Bright sun and hot here in the forest - clouds late in each day - but nothing more than a sprinkle or two. Keep dancing - get those heels higher.

Ron, Ben, Mark Lee - any moisture brewing up over your way(s)?

Nothing here. All of our monsoonal flow humidity has gone way again, thanks to this damned high pressure system that is camped over western New Mexico and eastern Arizona. Looks like the earliest chances for precipitation will be the last half of next week. You may be far enough north, though, to get a shower or two early in the week.

OK - finally got some low clouds/toonder followed by small rain last evening - a start. Keep it coming.

Jeff any tables are appreciated.

Judy look forward to seeing you all again and everyone enjoys your desserts bring what you want.

I check this thread and then look at PMs about once a week, if anyone needs to get in contact between my email is kentpowellphotmail.com.

A week out we need an approximate head count.

Thanks, Kent

Bit better rain off and on for an hour or so late today. Improving.

While 'yer all on here, anyone have a box or two of 140gr. Sierra .264 HPBT Match (#1740) you wish to trade/sell? and also 142gr. Nosler Accubond .264 Bonded Sptizer BT (#58922 LR)?

If needed, I could send my break-down shooting bench (usable by righty's)

Well Miles, your hip and back must be feeling better 'cause we know you must be doing some of those fancy Arkansas Cherokee rain dances. We've had just a tad over 1" of rain here since Sunday. Looks like some more coming this week. If the pattern continues, we should be in good shape for the forest and campfire time.

Mark, thanks for offering the bench. Have not yet heard from OWL to know if he can bring Dennis' heavy bench, so let's see what will happen there. We don't want to hand you any additional tasks/concerns. If we need it, Maybe it could be in the same transfer as the BP shoot tables.

All: I did manage to trade with someone on the "Fire to get one box of the Sierra 140g in .264, so that is relieved. Still looking for those seemingly scarce 142g. Accubonds.

That was EXACTLY the thought, Paul.
I called Jon this morning, but didn't get through - hoping to hear from him this evening, as I MAY get to go retrieve "The Warden" tomorrow. Hoping

Mark....

give our best to JOY.. tell her she has her own cheering section going on right now...

Paul,

if you are short shooting tables, I have that one I brought a few years ago...

its a pretty decent one, hand made by a departed Doctor Friend of mine whose other
hobby besides shooting was wood working...

and once again, if Tables are needed, I can round up some here also..

I should have access to Dennis' shooting table, target stands, etc We spoke about this before he left Sunny AZ for the land of Fur, Fish, and Fun.

Mark - looks like we will have enough shooting bench stuff without your going to the extra work to send yours. Thanks for being so helpful. Sure hope that you catch a break and that Joy and you can get to the event.

Paul, when you start the final head count... Alan Upshaw and Randy Upshaw from the Bayou State!

Got it, bud.
Any others want to confirm now? Please give number/name(s) if more than you.

I've started trying to get a sum and somewhere around 7/21 will try to post the list for final check.

Seafire verified... sadly the wife can't make it this year...

Courtesy of Kronos...

Count me in... Again.

Looking forward to seeing all of you rascals.

I have some pre-made sausage seasoning I could bring- Just let me know.

Thanks to Darby, I will have a box of those .264 Accubonds. Good man.

Just to be clear, we still need the tables for the bowling pin shoot that Mark has been keeping.

Thanks, Ben. Jon - are you connected with Mark on this for you to pick up the tables from him in Alb. (or, maybe in Rio Rancho) and get them to camp? If not and that won't work out for you, please advise soon so that we can make alternate plans. Randy has offered to pick them up as he comes through Alb if need be. Please chime in.

All: Some strong rain during the night and a bit more today off and on - if this pattern continues the forest will stay open and conditions should be nice in camp.

Paul, I am sorting my gear now. Will start putting it in the truck soon. Takes me a while. miles

I haven't been able to connect with Jon, but the table parts are in storage @ Bernalillo - as of last week.

I just got off the phone with Jon - the tables will go down with him. (Some assembly required )