I've used plenty in my 357 max but haven't tried them in my 356/358w yet. You might look at 1680...not sure how it does for that bigger case, though you can't get enough in a max case to go over pressure. I have run some 200-225gr accubonds at very mild (2200) velocities, and they're light kicking, to me. I've run those 180xtp pills at 2300+ in my max, and it's light kicking and quiet in a sub 6# (16.25") rig