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#11899576 - 03/14/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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Not having a 45/70, but having a 444 Marlin since 1981, I'd tend to lean toward it...

after I bought mine, my buddy who always had to "one up me", bought a 45/70 Marlin....

within 150 yds hunting range in the woods...I never saw anything Keith did with his 45/70, that my 444 couldn't do also....

Having handloaded since the mid 90s....my 444 gets fed a diet of SR 4759 for powder with a 300 gr XTP at 1750 fps MV....

That load will pull the rug out from underneath, about anything hit in the right spot out to 150 yds.... since that is fine, as its always been a woods hunting rig...

the boys in the Scout troop and friends of my son, have always enjoyed shooting it when I load 180 or 200 grain XTPs at about 1000 fps out of it....

mega low recoil, but blows the crap out of saplings and stuff, which the kids seem to love..

and I'm sitting on enough brass to out last me, so that isn't an issue either...

nothing wrong with a 45/70.... but nothing wrong with a 444 either...


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#11899646 - 03/14/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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I've had both. The 45-70 kicks like a mule on steroids with heavies, that was in Marlin CB though. With light weight bullets recoil was fine, but the bullets acted like gernades.

I got a 444 and like it better. But if I lived in Alaska I would go with the 45-70.

Look up the Safari Grade 444 Marlin. A heavy hitter.


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#11901368 - 03/15/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: HitnRun]  
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Originally Posted by HitnRun
Originally Posted by gunner500
45-70 all day everyday, brass, bullets, and available bullet weights trump all, plus, it had cool military and buffalo slaying history and to go with it.


The 444 was introduced when the 45-70 had nearly disappeared from the shooting market back on the 1960's. It's factory load with a 265 grain bullet is a weak proposition when compared to the current 45-70 offerings.

The 444 has ample power that a 44 magnum can't provide and is not as heavy in the recoil department as the 45-70, but it just doesn't have all the commercially loaded options, much less the "cool" factor that the 45-70 has.

Get a 45-70 and you won't be disappointed.


Agreed, I had a 45-70 marlin Cowboy and shot 525 gr piledrivers to 1745 fps with a healthy charge of RL-7, even with my old original'86 made in year 1893 I shoot a 500 gr flat nosed grease groove bullet over black powder for a velocity of 1245 fps, I love heavy bullets in all calibers.

And yes, the shooter does his or her part, the 45-70 will never disappoint.


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#11901401 - 03/15/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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.444 not have cool factor? That is a gross misstatement


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#11901410 - 03/15/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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if you are sitting on the 444 fence, read this and get your blood pumping:

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/17

".444 Marlin- America's Most Versatile Big-Bore Part I "

#11901567 - 03/15/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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45-70 is the king of available factory loads but the .444 is also a great cartridge.....I am going another way just for chits and giggles and am currently looking for a new BLR takedown in .450 Marlin......Hb

#11915743 - 03/21/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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444 is just so damn sweet. I prefer 265 Hornady FP , H4891 , and Starline brass. 1977 S model shoots sub moa for everyone that gets behind it. Sweeeeet.

#11916167 - 03/21/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: jeeper]  
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Originally Posted by jeeper
444 is just so damn sweet. I prefer 265 Hornady FP , H4891 , and Starline brass. 1977 S model shoots sub moa for everyone that gets behind it. Sweeeeet.
yup all spot on except mine is a 1976


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#11917894 - 03/22/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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when i bought my first big bore lever i got the 45-70. lots of ammo choices available. i ended up getting a 450 too and it is a hammer and the ammo is about the same price. i would love to get the 375 but ammo and brass is a problem.


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#11918386 - 03/22/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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Buy one of each if possible, and if not, flip a coin. They are both great rounds, but I'm more partial to the .444. I prefer the .375 Winchester over either really.

Honestly, even though I know all three are more powerful, blood trails on deer with my 30/30's are usually shorter.

#11918477 - 03/22/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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Iv killed alot of whitetails, with a 45-70, a Big Black bear and a Buffalo! the rem 405 load will do and the recoil is not bad, on the 375 win. wagon now tho!


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#11938667 - 03/30/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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444 would be my choice for deer.


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#11943231 - 04/01/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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I've got both. For deer I prefer the .444. My handloads use the Speer 270 gr. Good Dot. I've been very happy with the results.

#11977566 - 04/17/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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I have had a 444, and still have a 45-70 and a 375, for a first timer I recommend the 45-70 for the reasons stated here. plenty of ammo choices from mild to wild and the original 405 grain Remington will take any deer that walks the earth. The other two will try your patience ( and pocket book) getting reloading stuff and factory ammo.

#11978037 - 04/17/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Galaxieman]  
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Originally Posted by Galaxieman
I have had a 444, and still have a 45-70 and a 375, for a first timer I recommend the 45-70 for the reasons stated here. plenty of ammo choices from mild to wild and the original 405 grain Remington will take any deer that walks the earth. The other two will try your patience ( and pocket book) getting reloading stuff and factory ammo.
Ammo for 444 and reloading components ain't hard to find. Hornady Superformance 265 $26.00 a box found using ammoseek.com. Hornady and the mucho great Starline brass is easy to find. Bullets are everywhere.

#12069663 - 06/03/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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I have both and both will kill deer the same. Personally like the 444 myself.

#12093862 - 06/16/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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44 Willie says "444"


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#12096263 - 06/17/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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I've got a Marlin 45-70. Great gun but I don't really lean on it, as far as ammo pressure goes. I typically run closer to trapdoor loads, or a little more.

If I were going to run a Marlin hot, I'd prefer the 444, as it has more steel around the chamber.

The 45-70s do let go now and then if one gets too adventurous.

#12097075 - 06/18/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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I've had a 444 Marlin around 30 years ago. I wanted to shoot cast bullets in it. It worked fine. Never tried jacketed bullets. I am buying my second 45-70 lever rifle (Win and Marlin). Both the 444 and the 45-70 will put a big hole all the way through a deer.

So, IMHO, it comes down to ammo availability. If you don't reload, you should for either of these cartridges.

A 35 Remington will kill deer very well too. Although I have cast bullet molds for 35, I'd use 200 grain jacketed on deer.

A 358 Win would be more powerful - enough easily for bigger game. Again I'd use jacketed bullets.

There's many many others that would do very well too. A BLR in 308 would make a lot of sense if you don't reload.

#12100204 - 06/19/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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45-70, no question.

#12122988 - 07/01/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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Both good choices IMO--if whitetail is your game then both have more than ample power--my pref if given those two options would be 45-70--you can really take anything down with that venerable round. As for me, I like the 348 platform--only one choice of rifle but a great round--you can also hot rod it to a .458 or .510--yeah, fun to shoot the big bore levers!

#12124140 - 07/02/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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I would like to mention that I shot a couple of deer with that 45-70 I had. I used the Hornandy 300 JHP's. Those bullets were running purdy fast, hence they acted like BlitzKings. I would have stepped up to the 350 grainers (stouter) but for deer, meh. Go 444.


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#12124188 - 07/02/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: Slidellkid]  
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Speer 300 grain Unicor would've solved your problems with frangibility.

#12126669 - 07/04/17 Re: Deer - .444 Marlin or 45-70 [Re: muleshoe]  
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Originally Posted by muleshoe
I'd find me an old m71 in a 348 wcf.

Then you have to find ammo, which right now is basically impossible. OP specifically said he doesn't reload. There's not even any brass for .348 right now.

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