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A person in the industry once wrote this about the gun buying public, and their proclivity to buy cheap piece of crap guns:
"If you sold chocolate lollipops for $2 and dog [bleep] on a stick for $1.75, the American gun-buying public would suck a turd every time."
They were completely spot on.
90% of gun buyers will buy a cheap, sub par gun, and then brag about what a great deal they got on it. They will ignore the fact that every other magazine they have issues, or just don't shoot it much at all, and carry it anyway, and use it as some sort of talisman. Hope being a strategy.
It makes no sense to me why a person would buy 3 or 4 garbage guns, of questionable reliability, instead of one high quality gun, from a manufacturer with a reputation of building reliable guns.
I would rather have 1 K Frame Smith & Wesson Model 19, than 4 Taurus revolvers any day. About right from my observations. I know a couple guys that brag about how many firearms they own, but when asked what they have they get defensive about their yard sale beaters. Having thirty $70 single shot Rossi's doesn't excite me much.
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Ruger and Glock are perfect examples of how inexpensive does not always mean "cheap." The value proposition from both brands is the best in the business, in my opinion. Zackly
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$550 for a glock plastic gun is cheap?  For what you get? Pennies on the dollar for what it takes to get a "good" 1911 to work as well.
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After thinning the herd I seem to be left with 3 Colt autos and 1 D frame revolver, 3 S&W revolvers, a Walther P22 and High Standard B1B .22. Calibers range from .45acp, .38spl, .380acp, .32 S&W, .32 H&R Mag, .25acp to the .22's. ALL are dead nuts reliable and all I need.
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For no other reason than being what I can shoot well, and no problems shooting, I have ended up with 3 Smiths (M29, M38, M&P9c), 1 Colt DickSpec and a Ruger BH Colt, the latter 2 being bequeaths.
And I have been through a lot of pistols.....
Frankly, I'm still po'd at smith for the clinton gun thing, but I've had no problems with the guns and they hit where I aim. (None of them have locks)
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I had a Hi-Point. Sold it because it weighed as much as an Elephant gun and I could barely work the slide. So far I'm down to four with no issues Two Taurus and two S&W's. I haven't put enough rounds through the Taurus' but so far my S&W SD40VE and M&P Shield 40 are working well. I also sold a Ruger LC9 because i thought the trigger was poor. Later I found out that they make a trigger kit for about $35 that you can install yourself. I'll give SCCY a chance to redeem themselves and if they don't get it right, it will be history also.
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Another of one of my pistols is on the way back to the Manufacturer because the trigger won't work. This time it was my SCCY CPX-1. Last week it was my S&W Bodyguard. I am either bewitched by faulty triggers, or paranoid. Right after I shot the SCCY , (Or Failed to Shoot) I tried my S&W Shield and my Taurus G2 and both worked fine, so it isn't me. Is the failure to fire typical now day's or am i just unlucky? My cousin's husband was telling me about his SCCY CPX-1. I had never heard of it till then. They're real cheap, so hard to be surprised if they have quite a few lemons.
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$550 for a glock plastic gun is cheap? Who the f&ck is paying $550 for a Glock? Bought a G17 with 3 mags for $409 out the door.
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You live in a better place than me. Gen4 G17 or 19 here is about $550.00
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A person in the industry once wrote this about the gun buying public, and their proclivity to buy cheap piece of crap guns:
"If you sold chocolate lollipops for $2 and dog [bleep] on a stick for $1.75, the American gun-buying public would suck a turd every time."
They were completely spot on.
90% of gun buyers will buy a cheap, sub par gun, and then brag about what a great deal they got on it. They will ignore the fact that every other magazine they have issues, or just don't shoot it much at all, and carry it anyway, and use it as some sort of talisman. Hope being a strategy.
It makes no sense to me why a person would buy 3 or 4 garbage guns, of questionable reliability, instead of one high quality gun, from a manufacturer with a reputation of building reliable guns.
I would rather have 1 K Frame Smith & Wesson Model 19, than 4 Taurus revolvers any day. Best I've ever heard it said about cheap guns. The best fail occasionally. The cheap you can count on failing regularly. Hasbeen
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$550 for a glock plastic gun is cheap? For what you get? Pennies on the dollar for what it takes to get a "good" 1911 to work as well. Exaggerate much?
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Another of one of my pistols is on the way back to the Manufacturer because the trigger won't work. This time it was my SCCY CPX-1. Last week it was my S&W Bodyguard. I am either bewitched by faulty triggers, or paranoid. Right after I shot the SCCY , (Or Failed to Shoot) I tried my S&W Shield and my Taurus G2 and both worked fine, so it isn't me. Is the failure to fire typical now day's or am i just unlucky? Seriously - who is SCCY? What kind of track record do they have? You might get lucky with new entries to the market, but how can you reasonably expect the same service and reliability that you would from a S&W, Glock, Ruger, or the like?
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Another of one of my pistols is on the way back to the Manufacturer because the trigger won't work. This time it was my SCCY CPX-1. Last week it was my S&W Bodyguard. I am either bewitched by faulty triggers, or paranoid. Right after I shot the SCCY , (Or Failed to Shoot) I tried my S&W Shield and my Taurus G2 and both worked fine, so it isn't me. Is the failure to fire typical now day's or am i just unlucky? Seriously - who is SCCY? What kind of track record do they have? You might get lucky with new entries to the market, but how can you reasonably expect the same service and reliability that you would from a S&W, Glock, Ruger, or the like? This.
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I have "several" hand guns in the safe. Some were top dollar, like the Wilson Combat CQB compact. Some were less expensive, like the Taurus 85 snubby. You do get a better hand gun when you buy 'up' but as others have pointed out, even the best can, and do, have problems.
Beating up a fellow who was asking for a little advice or help, or validation though, is not helpful.
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A person in the industry once wrote this about the gun buying public, and their proclivity to buy cheap piece of crap guns:
"If you sold chocolate lollipops for $2 and dog [bleep] on a stick for $1.75, the American gun-buying public would suck a turd every time."
They were completely spot on.
90% of gun buyers will buy a cheap, sub par gun, and then brag about what a great deal they got on it. They will ignore the fact that every other magazine they have issues, or just don't shoot it much at all, and carry it anyway, and use it as some sort of talisman. Hope being a strategy.
It makes no sense to me why a person would buy 3 or 4 garbage guns, of questionable reliability, instead of one high quality gun, from a manufacturer with a reputation of building reliable guns.
I would rather have 1 K Frame Smith & Wesson Model 19, than 4 Taurus revolvers any day. Well said. $500-1000 for a handgun that could be called upon to save your or your families life is beyond cheap. Think about how much you spend in just one year to insure a vehicle, and then try and put a dollar value on life.
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$550 for a glock plastic gun is cheap? For what you get? Pennies on the dollar for what it takes to get a "good" 1911 to work as well. Now you've gone and stirred up a hornet's nest!
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If you are serious about protecting your family and your life then suck it up and buy a Glock
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$550 for a glock plastic gun is cheap? For what you get? Pennies on the dollar for what it takes to get a "good" 1911 to work as well. Exaggerate much? You don't buy many pistols? I've only owned 25? 1911s and have replaced them all. Getting a 1911 to run as dependably as a Glock is expensive. Getting any garden-variety Glock to run is a given.
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If you actually use your everyday carry gun to fire shots in defense, wait until they "hold as evidence" your $2,300 WIlson Combat basic pistol. Not including whatever you have tied up in the holster, lights, grips with laser, etc., etc. True story with a friend who is retired detective, and still can't get his pistol back.
I'll just go out and buy another LE Glock 43 with night sights, add a laser and light, and still be under $600.
And the trigger will be exactly the same as the last one, and it won't need "tuning" to get it to shoot.
Wait, I already have a safe with numerous backups in it....
Savy?
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