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Just wondering if she was on her "cycle" at the time of the attack?
I'm sure it wouldn't be publicized - but - just a hypothesis.


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Grizzly bear country and not allowed firearms. Something is wrong with that.


Also from the article

"ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said."





There you go. You can't help anyone who insists on being a sheep.


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Skunk scent draws, pepper repels , did not work. Guns work better

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Originally Posted by mark shubert
Just wondering if she was on her "cycle" at the time of the attack?
I'm sure it wouldn't be publicized - but - just a hypothesis.

That's what I've heard. Can't say 100%.


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Interesting in a way. Contradicts(duh) reports it was a grizz and that they were not allowed to carry firearms..



ABR employees are offered bear awareness training. Johnson and Trainor had gone through the most recent training in April, Murphy said. And the company allows employees to carry firearms in the field as long as they undergo instruction, he said.


Thats exactly what I said. Early reports said it was a grizzly, and they could not carry firearms.

This report contradicts that, it was a black bear and they could carry firearms.......


So , the bear was carrying a gun ?

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Originally Posted by ironbender
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Just wondering if she was on her "cycle" at the time of the attack?
I'm sure it wouldn't be publicized - but - just a hypothesis.

That's what I've heard. Can't say 100%.



Which would make sense since the attack was roughly 2 weeks after her wedding.


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I've got a question about bear spray....why is it pepper based??? Why not skunk???

I suppose for the same reason it is used as an attractant in trapping lures.

It's offensive to human olfactory senses, but not other animals.



I don't know about that...I know I've used it as a masking scent, but never as an attractant and if it wasn't offensive to other animals, I think skunks would be at least endangered, if not extinct....

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Lorna Weafer , 36 yo, May 7 2014, Fort McMurray Alberta.

Six unarmed people couldn't stop that black bear, which kept returning and finally dragged her off at her work site.

http://nationalpost.com/g00/news/canada/coworkers-desperately-tried-to-save-lorna-weafer-from-fatal-black-bear-attack-at-alberta-oilsands-site/wcm/981b6308-7582-412f-987e-45c3a43fd477?i10c.referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F


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Originally Posted by Middlefork_Miner
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I've got a question about bear spray....why is it pepper based??? Why not skunk???

I suppose for the same reason it is used as an attractant in trapping lures.

It's offensive to human olfactory senses, but not other animals.



I don't know about that...I know I've used it as a masking scent, but never as an attractant and if it wasn't offensive to other animals, I think skunks would be at least endangered, if not extinct....



It's more of a curiosity thing in trapping lures than an attractant. I guess it attracts the curious. Plus it projects itself out there in cold weather.


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An important part from the very end of the article:

"As field work is resumed, Pogo Mine will use dedicated bear guards as a standard practice, she said."

This was SOP when my wife did fish work in AK for a Federal agency. At that time, she was trained (such as it was) on operation of Rem870. Rubber bullet, maybe it was two, in the lineup first. Then slugs. One person in crew armed at all times.

Another agency I know of uses magnum rifles, but they're on one of the ABC islands, with big brownies there. Same deal, when in the field. One person armed.

Might have helped if they had been required to carry instead of it being an option. Both being biological types, they have probably seen the research papers that show bear spray works in the majority of incident................... until it doesn't.

Sad story, but they more than likely knew the risks and enjoyed their work. Kinda like folks in other trades, e.g. LEO's, commercial fishermen, and so on.

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PS as to her "reproductive condition" if there's a coroner's inquest it is likely going to be public information for those of you who are really interested. For all we know they may have just eaten breakfast, lunch or a snack. Or the bear saw them bending over taking soil samples and figured them as grazers feeding along.


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After reading the article, I believe I would have carried both spray and a firearm. Here in colorado I carry a 357 magnum for black bears. When in grizzly country I carry a ruger in 454 casull.

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Chit happens. Lots of "things" in this - period, effectively nailing the bear with spray, just a determined bear, posture/aggressivness of the victims, etc.

It is my understnding that getting spray into a bear's eyes or nose mucous membranes works. If not, it doesn't. .
and there are exceptions, of whitch this may be one.

I prefer aimed lead toa general spray - and i can start from farther awsy than 10 feet..

Not to say i haven't faced down a bear over gun barrel less than 10 feet. I have. He blinked first.

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
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Originally Posted by mark shubert
Just wondering if she was on her "cycle" at the time of the attack?
I'm sure it wouldn't be publicized - but - just a hypothesis.

That's what I've heard. Can't say 100%.



Which would make sense since the attack was roughly 2 weeks after her wedding.



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